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re: HIMYM VS FRIENDS
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:24 am to TigersGeaux001
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:24 am to TigersGeaux001
Friends. How is this even a legitimate question?
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:29 am to SSpaniel
Has everyone forgotten that major storylines in Friends included Ross and his monkey and Joey and Chandler with the two birds?
And they sat in a coffeehouse day after day for christ's sake.
And they sat in a coffeehouse day after day for christ's sake.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:32 am to rondo
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Joey and Chandler with the two birds
The chick and the duck that got stuck in the Combo Foosball/Dinner table?
And they had a boat as seating for a while. After Joey got all their furniture stolen by climbing into his homemade entertainment center.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:45 am to SSpaniel
yeah...all that shite was super simpleton and childish.
Don't get me wrong, I watched Friends and it was good for what it was. But it was just formulaic sitcom IMO.
Don't get me wrong, I watched Friends and it was good for what it was. But it was just formulaic sitcom IMO.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:18 am to WalkingTurtles
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Also while I love the Marshall and Barney characters, Ted Mosby was perhaps one of the worst characters of all time. He disgusted me on screen. His character really made the show suffer
He's no worse than Ross, who is a whiny little bitch from episode 1 and who you want to strangle throughout the series. In fact, you could probably switch their names to Ted Gellar and Ross Mosby.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:21 am to LoveThatMoney
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He's no worse than Ross, who is a whiny little bitch from episode 1 and who you want to strangle throughout the series. In fact, you could probably switch their names to Ted Gellar and Ross Mosby.
See I don't understand this (I think Ross is extremely divisive however). I find Ross, as a character, to be quite well rounded, pretty "real," and fleshed out throughout the series.
I think Ted Mosby is insufferable.
However, I do think the characters are similar, Ross is just far more sympathetic.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 9:21 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:26 am to TigersGeaux001
The early seasons of friends are some of the best sitcom seasons of all time.
All the actors were great, the characters were developed very well, the story lines and plots were well done, it was all around a great show.
HIMYM is not even in the same ballpark. Not close. It's an OK show, but the don't have the same chemistry or the same quality. They have some OK episodes here and there, but friends just has that "something more".
The characters in friends seemed real. They had real problems and real issues they honestly seemed like people.
The characters on HIMYM are parodies of people. They all deliver constant punch lines and set ups. There's rarely a conversation on that show that seems like it's real. It's just actors spitting out scripted lines. Where as on friends their interactions and characters were all real.
Friends was like watching a group of friends through a fourth wall. You felt like those people might actually exist somewhere. HIMYM was like watching a comedy play at a theatre. You're aware it's not real the whole time, and the characters are so overtop they're un-relatable by design.
All the actors were great, the characters were developed very well, the story lines and plots were well done, it was all around a great show.
HIMYM is not even in the same ballpark. Not close. It's an OK show, but the don't have the same chemistry or the same quality. They have some OK episodes here and there, but friends just has that "something more".
The characters in friends seemed real. They had real problems and real issues they honestly seemed like people.
The characters on HIMYM are parodies of people. They all deliver constant punch lines and set ups. There's rarely a conversation on that show that seems like it's real. It's just actors spitting out scripted lines. Where as on friends their interactions and characters were all real.
Friends was like watching a group of friends through a fourth wall. You felt like those people might actually exist somewhere. HIMYM was like watching a comedy play at a theatre. You're aware it's not real the whole time, and the characters are so overtop they're un-relatable by design.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 9:33 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:26 am to TigersGeaux001
Friends, and its not even close.
Friends made the last season fun and ended the show the way everyone wanted it to.
HIMYM lasted about 3 seasons too long. The last season was trash and a complete waste. The ending basically made the previous 3-4 seasons a waste of storytelling.
Friends made the last season fun and ended the show the way everyone wanted it to.
HIMYM lasted about 3 seasons too long. The last season was trash and a complete waste. The ending basically made the previous 3-4 seasons a waste of storytelling.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:28 am to Melvin
quote:i do not agree. The show was named HIMYM and the story completely led to that but the whole time it was actually Ted explaining how he loved Robin as well. Hate it or love it that what it is.
Yeah I watched the finale with two other devoted fans and we all couldn't believe how they ended it. They wasted the entire last season only to cram the last episode full of terribleness
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:30 am to elprez00
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The ending basically made the previous 3-4 seasons a waste of storytelling.
I do feel, outside of that reveal, that the characters are largely the same from Episode 1 to the last. The whole point of Robin and Barney splitting is that Barney is always Barney. That stunk because everyone, I hope, thought they would redeem is character.
On the other hand, I think Friends was more about watching a group of people grow up. And they did that really well.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:47 am to Freauxzen
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See I don't understand this (I think Ross is extremely divisive however). I find Ross, as a character, to be quite well rounded, pretty "real," and fleshed out throughout the series.
They get away from him being the whiny little girl after a couple seasons because the writers were pretty self aware. But go back and watch season 1 and tell me that Ross doesn't act like a 16 year old who just broke up with his first girlfriend rather than a grown arse DOCTOR who just divorced his wife because she's a lesbian (and WHOLLY shite THAT'S FUNNY! *sarcasm*).
I will say, at least Ross is consistent in how he reacts to break ups. He just goes through a lot of them and each time he's insufferable.
But HIMYM is a show with caricatures of characters. Barney is a whackjob, Ted is a bleeding heart romantic, Marshall is just so darn Midwestern, dontcha know, and Lily is a borderline psychotic, lesbian mother hen. Robin is about the only one of the characters grounded in reality and she is often the butt of jokes because of past travails. Together, the show works and even evokes a certain amount of sympathy and empathy in the audience.
Friends is about a bunch of friends. The characters are fairly real, except Phoebe. It is top notch writing, but to say it is far and away better than HIMYM is silly. I would say Friends was more consistent, but HIMYM had some moments that were just fricking priceless.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:53 am to SSpaniel
One of my massive gripes with friends was the joey/rachel storyline. Yes, I realize that in HIMYM there was a ted/barney/robin storyline too, but it wasn't nearly as "serious" (I can't think of a better word) as friends.
Ross was frickin infatuated with rachel since high school. They got together fairly early in the series. It was always ross and rachel and everyone knew it. They were meant to be, like Cory and Topanga. So when they ended up going through a rough patch, she gets serious with Joey? Come the frick on man. What a horrendously callous and fricked up thing for both rachel and joey to be a part of. I don't care how hot or cool or awesome she is, if my lifelong best friend was dating someone (even on and off, i don't care) for YEARS and they broke up, I would never even CONSIDER dating her. Ever.
Ross was frickin infatuated with rachel since high school. They got together fairly early in the series. It was always ross and rachel and everyone knew it. They were meant to be, like Cory and Topanga. So when they ended up going through a rough patch, she gets serious with Joey? Come the frick on man. What a horrendously callous and fricked up thing for both rachel and joey to be a part of. I don't care how hot or cool or awesome she is, if my lifelong best friend was dating someone (even on and off, i don't care) for YEARS and they broke up, I would never even CONSIDER dating her. Ever.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:56 am to WG_Dawg
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One of my massive gripes with friends was the joey/rachel storyline. Yes, I realize that in HIMYM there was a ted/barney/robin storyline too, but it wasn't nearly as "serious" (I can't think of a better word) as friends.
Ross was frickin infatuated with rachel since high school. They got together fairly early in the series. It was always ross and rachel and everyone knew it. They were meant to be, like Cory and Topanga. So when they ended up going through a rough patch, she gets serious with Joey? Come the frick on man. What a horrendously callous and fricked up thing for both rachel and joey to be a part of. I don't care how hot or cool or awesome she is, if my lifelong best friend was dating someone (even on and off, i don't care) for YEARS and they broke up, I would never even CONSIDER dating her. Ever.
Although I didn't particularly like the storyline, they handled it well, imo. They never felt or seemed comfortable, and the show hit on that multiple times.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:00 am to Freauxzen
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See I don't understand this (I think Ross is extremely divisive however). I find Ross, as a character, to be quite well rounded, pretty "real," and fleshed out throughout the series.
I think Ted Mosby is insufferable.
However, I do think the characters are similar, Ross is just far more sympathetic.
I disagree for one reason...Ted KNOWS he is a douche and owns it.
Ross has no fricking clue how big a tool he is.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:02 am to LoveThatMoney
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They get away from him being the whiny little girl after a couple seasons because the writers were pretty self aware. But go back and watch season 1 and tell me that Ross doesn't act like a 16 year old who just broke up with his first girlfriend rather than a gross arse DOCTOR who just divorced his wife because she's a lesbian (and WHOLLY shite THAT'S FUNNY! *sarcasm*).
I wouldn't disagree.
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I will say, at least Ross is consistent in how he reacts to break ups. He just goes through a lot of them and each time he's insufferable.
Bonnie? Charlie? He has plenty of moments where he doesn't freak out.
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But HIMYM is a show with caricatures of characters. Barney is a whackjob, Ted is a bleeding heart romantic, Marshall is just so darn Midwestern, dontcha know, and Lily is a borderline psychotic, lesbian mother hen. Robin is about the only one of the characters grounded in reality and she is often the butt of jokes because of past travails. Together, the show works and even evokes a certain amount of sympathy and empathy in the audience.
Friends is about a bunch of friends. The characters are fairly real, except Phoebe. It is top notch writing, but to say it is far and away better than HIMYM is silly. I would say Friends was more consistent, but HIMYM had some moments that were just fricking priceless.
Fair enough.
I feel that HIMYM is more about getting you to react to the situation without having sympathy for the characters, while Friends is all about the character. Caricatures allow us, as viewers, to project our own insecurities on the character and maybe see ourselves in that position more effectively. What happens is that when you try to move characters forward in jarring ways (Robin and Barney, The end, etc.) it has to be perfect or it doesn't work. As much as the show is titled, and focuses on, the progression from point A to point B, I'm not sure the characters really experience that.
On the other hand, Friends is about watching slight exaggerations of real people. So the story and the affect come from how those characters specifically progress over time. That's why the Chandler and Monica storyline, as crazy as it may have seemed in Seasons 1-3, is kind of awesome. It just makes this real amount of sense.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:05 am to TigersGeaux001
Anyone who thinks 10 minutes of the final episode retroactively ruins the rest of the series is really trying too hard to be upset. And I'll also submit that the last 10 minutes of Friends was pretty God awful as well, and was a demonstration of the show's worst instincts.
I think HIMYM hit higher highs (Slap Bet and the original Robin Sparkles are two of the funniest episodes ever), but Friends was overall more consistent. I think Friends is the second greatest sitcom of all time, behind only Cheers. It lost its way for long stretches and relied too much on stunt casting in its later years, but it is still a fantastic hang out show. The characters' interaction really carried it, and unlike most shows, without judging its characters.
And while HIMYM was more clever, clever shows have a way of being impressed with themselves way too much (Seinfeld is the worst for this). Friends is an easy mark for people to rag on to show how cool and sophisticated they are, but it really is a near perfectly constructed sitcom.
I think HIMYM hit higher highs (Slap Bet and the original Robin Sparkles are two of the funniest episodes ever), but Friends was overall more consistent. I think Friends is the second greatest sitcom of all time, behind only Cheers. It lost its way for long stretches and relied too much on stunt casting in its later years, but it is still a fantastic hang out show. The characters' interaction really carried it, and unlike most shows, without judging its characters.
And while HIMYM was more clever, clever shows have a way of being impressed with themselves way too much (Seinfeld is the worst for this). Friends is an easy mark for people to rag on to show how cool and sophisticated they are, but it really is a near perfectly constructed sitcom.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:07 am to Baloo
If you rate Friends over Seinfeld, your opinion is invalid.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:08 am to Baloo
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clever shows have a way of being impressed with themselves way too much (Seinfeld is the worst for this)
you can start a new thread if you want, but care to elaborate on this? Seinfeld only had 1 episode that got super cute (the backwards episode), which btw, was still a very good episode that for some reason gets hated on, but overall I don't think they were full of themselves or "impressed with themselves" however you want to qualify that.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:11 am to rondo
Seinfeld is overrated as hell. And it has spawned a legion of shows that revel in being clever without actually telling jokes or bothering to be funny (yes, that's a slam on Arrested Development, too).
And if we're going to ding HIMYM for caricatures.... holy crap. Seinfeld is one of the worst offenders in TV history for this.
And if we're going to ding HIMYM for caricatures.... holy crap. Seinfeld is one of the worst offenders in TV history for this.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:11 am to Baloo
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And while HIMYM was more clever, clever shows have a way of being impressed with themselves way too much (Seinfeld is the worst for this). Friends is an easy mark for people to rag on to show how cool and sophisticated they are, but it really is a near perfectly constructed sitcom.
I was going to mention this. Clever does not necessarily mean better. There's the arrogance issue, and the idea about simple truths/themes getting too wrapped up in "clever" story structure or moments.
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