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help me with a couple of apparent TLJ plot holes SPOILERS

Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:07 am
Posted by TigerRad
Columbia, SC
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:07 am
only saw it once, not likely to again, and I mustve missed some stuff....

1. Why not just tell Poe about Laura Derns real plan instead of practically killing him when he demands to know whats going on? Whats with the big secret? Seems like a really good idea to let people know theyre going to be alright.

2. Poe/Rose/Finn obviously dont know about the Dern real plan to use the transports to escape to the (conveniently located) planet. This is the whole reason they go off to the casino planet and hook up with Benicio. Given this, how can Benicio possibly know about the escape plan (and sell it to the First Order?)

3. If the Maid of Tarth's armor can deflect blaster bolts, why arent all the storm troopers wearing it?

Posted by Lacour
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:08 am to
Because women are better than men.

That’s not a joke. That’s the answer
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:10 am to
Why doesn’t leia instantly freeze to death

When they open the door for her why are they not all sucked into the vacuum of space

After dern crashes the ship why is phasma on the other end of the ship from Finn who she was just standing over looking clean and marching in formation towards Finn

When Luke dies why doesn’t his metal hand crash onto ground?

I could go on all day

This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 10:10 am
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:10 am to
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3. If the Maid of Tarth's armor can deflect blaster bolts, why arent all the storm troopers wearing it?

Because given your average storm trooper that type of armor is kind of pointless when the Emperor has an endless supply of troops.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:10 am to
quote:

1. Why not just tell Poe about Laura Derns real plan instead of practically killing him when he demands to know whats going on? Whats with the big secret? Seems like a really good idea to let people know theyre going to be alright.
Leia tells Poe it's because she didn't want to seem like a hero. That's all that plot device was for. Just to teach him a lesson: lying is okay if it puts a white male in his place.
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2. Poe/Rose/Finn obviously dont know about the Dern real plan to use the transports to escape to the (conveniently located) planet. This is the whole reason they go off to the casino planet and hook up with Benicio. Given this, how can Benicio possibly know about the escape plan (and sell it to the First Order?)
The ships leaving was known but the planet being there wasn't.
Posted by MF Doom
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:10 am to
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Given this, how can Benicio possibly know about the escape plan (and sell it to the First Order?) 


Pretty sure he overhears Poe and Finn talking about it when they're on the stolen ship
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85067 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:11 am to
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Because given your average storm trooper that type of armor is kind of pointless when the Emperor has an endless supply of troops.
Yet they've lost battles when all the troops present get killed. So it's not pointless.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
13932 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:11 am to
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3. If the Maid of Tarth's armor can deflect blaster bolts, why arent all the storm troopers wearing it?


This is the only one I can answer with any certainty.

Her armor was made from the metal from Palpatine's ship. That would be in extremely short supply, so not enough to go around for the rest of the stormtroopers.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:12 am to
If her armor is laser proof then why did she acquiesce to Finn in TFA when he put a gun to her head?
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:14 am to
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Why doesn’t leia instantly freeze to death

It's as if some of you forgot that Leia is fricking Skywalker.
Posted by TigerRad
Columbia, SC
Member since Jan 2007
5354 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:14 am to
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Poe and Finn talking about it when they're on the stolen ship


when is poe on the stolen ship?
Posted by DieDaily
West of a white house
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:14 am to
FWIW - I liked the movie overall.

1. I don't know. This is my biggest problem with the movie. It makes no sense to me for her not to share the plan. I initially I thought, "Well, she doesn't know who to trust and doesn't know how the First Order is tracking them. So she wants to keep the plan quiet." But, she has no reason to mistrust Poe. He practically took down Starkiller base by himself. He's obviously not a traitor. I just don't buy it.

2. He overheard it on the radio when they were attempting to break open the door. They cut to him briefly obviously listening in to what Poe is telling Finn.

3. Maybe it's made of a really rare metal? I don't know. If light sabers are so powerful, why doesn't everyone have one? That didn't bother me.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
13932 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:14 am to
Because she was outnumbered 3 to 1, with Han solo and Chewbacca being the other 2.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85067 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:15 am to
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It's as if some of you forgot that Leia is fricking Skywalker.
That doesn't matter anymore, remember? Anyone can be a powerful Jedi.
Posted by TigerRad
Columbia, SC
Member since Jan 2007
5354 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:16 am to
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The ships leaving was known


known by Finn or Rose? At what point? Why would they continue thier extremely risky mission to disable the tracker?
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:16 am to
Skywalker s don’t instantly freeze to death in space?

Leia and Han are out in about in space in empire...the difference is one movie bends the rules of reality too far on top of being a shitty movie

Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:16 am to
1. Poe’s actions cost thousands of lives. Holdo didn’t trust him because of the blood on his hands.

2. Poe obviously leaked it to Benicio. Continuing the streak of blood on his hands and further validating Holdo’s distrust in him

3. Because all the other storm troopers are white males and expendable
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:17 am to
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Skywalker s don’t instantly freeze to death in space?
The Art of The Last Jedi book goes explains that Leia was initially trained by Luke right after ROTJ, but motherhood and New Republic duties pulled her away from it. She always had skills in the force, she just never bothered with them because she remained a political figure. When she was sucked into space she used the force to protect herself from exposure and then pulled herself back to the ship.

That takes some serious power. So good thing she's a Skywalker and has just as much power in the force as Luke. She's so strong in the force she was--according to Yoda--a suitable replacement if Luke were to die or turn in Empire Strikes Back.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57367 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:18 am to
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2. He overheard it on the radio when they were attempting to break open the door. They cut to him briefly obviously listening in to what Poe is telling Finn.


POE was the leak. Again.

Dude’s the villain.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:19 am to
So is it a good thing when your movie doesn’t make sense without the required reading explaining things

Which btw, that whole explanation is retarded nerd fiction

The force protects her? Gaaaay
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