re: Hawkeye Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)

quote:

---

She finds out her sister is dead, and somehow she finds out that Barton was involved.

---

quote:

---

She was hired by Kate Bishop’s mom to kill Hawkeye. At the end of Black Widow she’s approached by Elaine from Seinfeld and told that Clint was responsible for Natasha’s death.

---

I guess these are the two points that I find a little confusing.

Like why did she need to be hired by Kate’s mom at all?? I assumed at the end of BW that Julia Louis-Dreyfus was telling her about Clint to set her off on a revenge path.

Why would Yelena need to be hired to kill him at that point? Also, do we have any idea why Elaine would want Clint dead to begin with? Is she just against all of the Avengers basically? New Hydra?

Not a big deal, just didn’t fully understand those motivations.



I agree with everyone on this. Best D+ series, with less than stellar finale. It was pretty good, just not much to it.

The fun arrows were the best part, along with the sword dad being redeemed and getting to have some fun (is he a character from the comics that could reappear? That actor is great and earned a future role in the MCU based on this imo). Also who was that rich kid? Future super villian?


The actual face off with Yelena and Clint was pretty satisfying, Kate and Yelena’s fight was fun, and I’m really happy Maya had a change of heart. She was a great character imo.


But I found the Kate/mom stuff mostly boring and not on par with the rest. And her fight with Kingpin was pretty silly if he really is supposed to be some insanely strong brute that can shrug off a bullet, rip a car door off like a paper towel, then bounce back from getting run over by that same car in a blink.

Was he not really trying to kill her? Maybe saw her as a potential replacement for Maya? Could he be her actual father? Something with the dad story and how the mom got involved with him didn’t add up imo.


Like Kate handling the track suit idiots is fine, but no way she hangs with Kingpin if we’re supposed to believe he is this Hulk type supervillain that even Clint was afraid of facing.



Anyway, enjoying seeing the groundwork being laid for the next phase of MCU. I didn’t really appreciate all the planning that was happening in the early stages of MCU as the movies were coming out until much later.

Being more aware of their planning now is fun and looking forward to seeing how this one comes together.

This is going to sound like an odd aside... but I wish something like Hawkeye is how they had worked Chloe Zhao into the MCU directing family.

Bert and Bertie (a pair of British directors) directed three episodes of Hawkeye and did a good job. It was a step up from the low budget indie work they had done previously but they pulled it off nicely. It probably helps they didn't have to helm a three hour long monstrosity featuring a dozen new main characters.

Going from directing "Nomadland" or "Troop Zero" to directing a Marvel big budget movie is a big step up. Let those directors get their feet wet before you throw them in the deep end of the pool. If you foul up one episode of an MCU show that series can still do nicely. If you foul up a movie though...

If it’s like the comics Fisk was wearing body armor which is why he could get capped but keep trucking like it was no big deal.

So is Kingpin dead? That would be disappointing

Is that chick someone from the comics ?

Overall it’s been their best series
1. Hawkeye
2. Loki
3. Wandavision













4. Falcon and winter soldier

quote:

---

Is that chick someone from the comics ?

---

Yes, Echo is portrayed in the Hawkeye series almost exactly as she is in the comics.

Kingpin's step-daughter, deaf, etc etc.

In the comics she was also the first Ronin, but obviously they're not going with that here.

1. Wandavision
2. Hawkeye/Loki (tie)







4. Falcon and WS


I ranked Wandavision first simply because the format at the beginning was so groundbreaking. Hawkeye and Loki were visually appealing with extremely likeable stars and supporting cast. Seeing Hawkeye genuinely loving his family showed a side of the Marvel universe we’ve never really seen before and I thought that was cool. Falcon and WS was just so forgettable.