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re: GoT S2 finale: Valar Morghulis (potatoe ederption) (spoilers pg 6-8)
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:54 am to iluvdatiger
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:54 am to iluvdatiger
I was very excited when Danny was transported to outside of the wall then into the tent to see Khal Drogo. But what the hell does all that mean?
One aspect in particular about the show intrigues me. The show comes off as a regular political battle between houses, but with a mythical undertone. I am so intrigued by what would happen when all the throne bickering bullshite mix with the super natural. On one side you have the dragons, which no one in westeros knows about yet. On the otherside, you have the white walkers, which again no one in westeros know about yet.
When I saw Danny get transported to outside of the wall, all that seems to come crashing together and mixed into one pot for whatever reason... and it was exciting to me for that brief period of time.
Man, I love this show.
One aspect in particular about the show intrigues me. The show comes off as a regular political battle between houses, but with a mythical undertone. I am so intrigued by what would happen when all the throne bickering bullshite mix with the super natural. On one side you have the dragons, which no one in westeros knows about yet. On the otherside, you have the white walkers, which again no one in westeros know about yet.
When I saw Danny get transported to outside of the wall, all that seems to come crashing together and mixed into one pot for whatever reason... and it was exciting to me for that brief period of time.
Man, I love this show.
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:03 am to HideChaKidz
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I was very excited when Danny was transported to outside of the wall then into the tent to see Khal Drogo. But what the hell does all that mean?
I just took that as a trick the House of the Undying was playing on her to maybe make her stay in there and not want to leave.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:12 am to iluvdatiger
I viewed it more as a scene to show that she has taken a step past her feelings for drogo and the child she never had because she loves her dragons more. They're her life now. And they're gonna frick shite up. I really wanna see what three full grown dragons can do to an army of wyte walkers.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:14 am to iluvdatiger
What about her vision in the throne room with the roof presumably destroyed by dragon fire? That would seem to push her more on her quest.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:29 am to iluvdatiger
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I just took that as a trick the House of the Undying was playing on her to maybe make her stay in there and not want to leave.
Yeah I got that part, but I guess I just wanted it to be more. Like maybe it was a bit of foreshadowing for the distant future where her and the dragons (hot/south) would have to battle the whitewalkers (cold/north).
Just seems that those are the two groups that the rest of westeros are not ready for, but was all of a sudden tossed in the mix in a moment of surreal fantasy.
This post was edited on 6/4/12 at 1:30 am
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:31 am to HideChaKidz
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On one side you have the dragons, which no one in westeros knows about yet. On the otherside, you have the white walkers, which again no one in westeros know about yet.
Varys has talked about both.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:41 am to TN Bhoy
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Varys has talked about both.
I'm sure he has, but the rest of westeros is so distracted by the war that no one knows about anything else.
Also, did varys say something about the whitewalkers? Didn't see it.
This post was edited on 6/4/12 at 1:43 am
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:43 am to HideChaKidz
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I'm sure he has, but the rest of westeros is so distracted by the war that no one knows about anything else.
Define "rest of Westeros"? He's told both things to numerous powerful people. If you mean the common people, well, to paraphrase from season 1, they don't give a frick what's happening as long as they survive.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:45 am to TN Bhoy
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Define "rest of Westeros"? He's told both things to numerous powerful people
And how did they respond?
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:48 am to HideChaKidz
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And how did they respond?
Paraphrase: 'Who the frick cares? We'll deal with it if/when it shows up.'
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:48 am to HideChaKidz
I was under the impression that most people didn't even believe whitewalkers currently existed.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:50 am to TN Bhoy
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Paraphrase: 'Who the frick cares? We'll deal with it if/when it shows up.'
Exactly. They aren't bothered with it, for now, which was my point.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:50 am to THRILLHO
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Message Posted by THRILLHO I was under the impression that most people didn't even believe whitewalkers currently existed.
Which adds to the intrigue for me.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:54 am to blueboy
I'm not defending Tom because he had edited his posts by the time I checked this thread again and I can only go by what others quoted of his posts. But at the bottom of page 4 I said I thought that Theon's men had taken Rob's deal to turn him over and they could go free. I think that while it wasn't spelled out, it was fairly obvious.
I also believed that the army outside the gates who had Winterfell under seige were the ones who plundered, looted and burned Winterfell. I mean who else would do it if the Iron Born guys were cutting their losses and leaving. That only leaves the army outside the gates.
Plus, remember what Catelyn said to Rob earlier about of he doesn't honor his vows then the people under him probably wouldn't honor theirs.
And I.assure you I've not read the books or any spoilers. Sure it was vague and I figure it will probably be.explained a little more.next.season, but if you just think about it its really the only.explanation that makes.sense. Esp if you believe that the iron born turned Theon over to save theory own skin. Then the rest is just a logical following of that first domino.
I also believed that the army outside the gates who had Winterfell under seige were the ones who plundered, looted and burned Winterfell. I mean who else would do it if the Iron Born guys were cutting their losses and leaving. That only leaves the army outside the gates.
Plus, remember what Catelyn said to Rob earlier about of he doesn't honor his vows then the people under him probably wouldn't honor theirs.
And I.assure you I've not read the books or any spoilers. Sure it was vague and I figure it will probably be.explained a little more.next.season, but if you just think about it its really the only.explanation that makes.sense. Esp if you believe that the iron born turned Theon over to save theory own skin. Then the rest is just a logical following of that first domino.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 1:54 am to HideChaKidz
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Exactly. They aren't bothered with it, for now, which was my point.
No, your point, if you can call it that, is that nobody knows that the dragons and whitewalkers are out there. But the powerful people in Westeros, including the guy who knows everything in the world, have been tracking the dragons since they were hatched and the whitewalkers since they were sent a fricking arm by the Watch.
You know nothing, HideChaKidz. Do not test us again.
This post was edited on 6/4/12 at 1:57 am
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:05 am to HideChaKidz
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I was very excited when Danny was transported to outside of the wall then into the tent to see Khal Drogo. But what the hell does all that mean?
The Warlock.wanted.Danery to stay in the House, whether it be by her own free.will or.in.chains because the dragons were strongest around her and the warlocks power was strongest around the dragons. So they offered her the carrot first with the iron throne and then Drago and the baby and when that didn't work the.warlock tried the stick, locking her in chains.
Some of this isn't.spelled out but if you just think about it then its not that complicated.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:07 am to TN Bhoy
Tyrion also told Cersei and the advisors that there was a white walker attack while he was at the wall and that things beyond the wall were very unstable and they just mocked him and said it was all bullshite.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 7:41 am to Titus Pullo
I am shocked that Tywin didn't take up for Tyrion. Poor little guy can't catch a break. I wonder if the whitewalkers killed fatboy? Didn't look like it. I think I am going to go buy the second book. I read the first after watching the first season. Really amazing how much you miss in the show that you pick up after readin the book.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 7:51 am to CootKilla
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I am shocked that Tywin didn't take up for Tyrion.
He didn't exactly do a whole lot in that episode but ride into Court and accept his praise from the King and his Hand of the King button. Was disappointed he only had four words in the entire episode.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 8:27 am to HideChaKidz
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I was very excited when Danny was transported to outside of the wall then into the tent to see Khal Drogo. But what the hell does all that mean?
IMO, it was a test of sorts on how much Dani yearns to be with her dragons. If you notice, in the first scene in the winterized throne room, she gets close to touchign the Iron throne a couple times only to be bothered and distracted by the dragon screech. She never touches it. Second scene, she is with Drago and their baby. You can tell that she wants to stay with Drago in this 'apparent' dream, and then she goes all Shakespeare on his arse and basically says "I love you forever, but I gotta go save my dragons". You can tell by the look in Drago's face that he's astonished by this.
I just don't know the means of this test on whether it's driven all by the master of the house of the undying (creepy dude) or if it's an illusion perpetuated by your innermost desires. It was all about "Dani, are you willing to give up your throne and the ones you love the most to be with your dragons". Still don't have it all figured out yet though. Just speculation
This post was edited on 6/4/12 at 8:28 am
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