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Posted on 5/7/13 at 10:01 am to Tiger at Law
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Yeah, I was saying after last week that I was getting ambivalent about someone killing Joffrey. Whelp, that's over with!
joffrey just didn't get
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So, looks like the Baratheon bastard is coming into significance a lot sooner than I was thinking he would. I was thinking that the brotherhood group would be a bit more principled than they are turning out to be for some reason. Just shows that everyone is working an angle.
just goes to show the actual logistics with being some kind of robin hood troop. you still need supplies.
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I didn't get the impression that Cersei ratted out Joffrey to Tyrion about the murder attempt. Was that just Tyrion working it out on his own that if his sis ordered the hit it would have been more discreet?
exactly. and i'm sure cersei would portend that if/when she does it he would/will be dead.
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I'm glad I was on the grandma Tyrell bus early so I get a good seat. No worries though, there is plenty of standing room for you late comers. Sword swallower is now going to be a permanent addition to my vocab, and for that I thank her.
i'm shotgun on this bandwagon. loved her from the beginning too. quickly becoming one of my faves.
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Glad that the redhead wildling accepts Jon's twisted loyalties, should help him do whatever he thinks is right when there is the impending crow clash.
i wonder how many weeks we'll get a call back on jon snow's oral skills? if some woman had a devil's threesome w/ pod & jon they'd probably die of prolonged violent orgasms.
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Also really enjoying Theon's prolonged torture. I'm with the folks saying its Bolton's son. I really don't see how it can be in doubt. The Bolton sigil is the "flayed man" and someone is, in fact, flaying Theon and starting with his finger. No happy ending unless sis busts down the castle walls...Theon fricked.
i'm enjoying as well. i read a review that said this arc is getting old. but it's one of my favorites. all the subtle clues on the torturer being a bolton and this week they bash you over the head with it. "Hey audience, we're flaying him! Get it??!!!"
my thing with that is this: if theon lived in the north for most of his years, wouldnt he know of the boltons? jamie sure did just by their sigil. and he knew what they were known for. wouldn't theon know this. maybe not their faces but their sigil and the fact that he's their living sigil right now??
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So Robb is going to the Freys, groveling, and in return getting the men he needs to sack Casterly Rock, correck? Kind of a bum deal about his uncle having to marry one of the Frey dogs, but he definitely owes Robb. I get the feeling that doofus uncle is going to continue to cause Robb and the North problems...if he didn't take the marriage hit for the team I wouldn't have been surprised to see him end up with the Fredo treatment
i don't think the tully's would kill him, they seem kinda normal. wish the blackfish had more screentime though.
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I thought it was a great episode. Looking forward to getting back to the dragons and would like to see what ended up happening with Vary's old tormentor that he caught a few episodes back.
yeah we've seen that littlefinger's treachery knows no bounds but i wouldn't mind seeing varys go medieval on that sorcerer. i think every episode should have a varys/balisch (sp?) scene.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 10:39 am to TDTGodfather
quote:To me Theon seems like he would be kind of dumb. Perhaps not learning everything you would think he would being a part of the Starks. Jamie clearly is more of a student of things in that regard, just based on his prior positions.
if theon lived in the north for most of his years, wouldnt he know of the boltons? jamie sure did just by their sigil. and he knew what they were known for. wouldn't theon know this. maybe not their faces but their sigil and the fact that he's their living sigil right now??
So in summation I believe Theon would not know because he is a dumb arse.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 10:45 am to 225rumpshaker
Theon is basically the bitch of the show.
Daddy hates him, casts him off
Starks take him in, treat him with respect
Betrays Starks to try to win over his a-hole father
I'm guessing Theon's story leads back to him with some kind of redemption - either cutting his own path or making things right with the Starks.
The Bolton/Stark connection is interesting, seeing as though Theon's a captive of a Bolton (unofficially). Seems like that could go either way, since the Boltons are more of a player now.
Daddy hates him, casts him off
Starks take him in, treat him with respect
Betrays Starks to try to win over his a-hole father
I'm guessing Theon's story leads back to him with some kind of redemption - either cutting his own path or making things right with the Starks.
The Bolton/Stark connection is interesting, seeing as though Theon's a captive of a Bolton (unofficially). Seems like that could go either way, since the Boltons are more of a player now.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 10:53 am to Billy Mays
what i also can't wrap my mind around is (assuming it's the boltons who were outside winterfell in S2 and the ones who have theon now):
the aftermath of winterfell (looks like it was burned badly and ransacked) i would think had to be done by the boltons? right? originally i thought that the greyjoy men did it maybe as a cover for escape but now i'm thinking either the greyjoys used theon as a bargaining chip for immunity or the bolton men took the castle by force.
either way, that family has my spidey sense tingling.
the aftermath of winterfell (looks like it was burned badly and ransacked) i would think had to be done by the boltons? right? originally i thought that the greyjoy men did it maybe as a cover for escape but now i'm thinking either the greyjoys used theon as a bargaining chip for immunity or the bolton men took the castle by force.
either way, that family has my spidey sense tingling.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 11:10 am to TDTGodfather
I'd have to rewatch, but it seems like it was implied the Ironborns burned Winterfell right after they knocked out Theon and stabbed the Maester. I'm not sure if Lord Bolton sent his Bastard with any men at all.
I also seem to remember Ironborns being Theon's original torturers, and then the Bastard saves him just so he can do it himself.
Bastard was trolling Theon outside the walls with the horn the whole time, just because he's a sadistic POS.
This cycle has been going on for a while now, hopefully something will progress in the storyline soon.
I also seem to remember Ironborns being Theon's original torturers, and then the Bastard saves him just so he can do it himself.
Bastard was trolling Theon outside the walls with the horn the whole time, just because he's a sadistic POS.
This cycle has been going on for a while now, hopefully something will progress in the storyline soon.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 11:26 am to Billy Mays
well i'm even more clueless after your post.
so are you saying it was greyjoy men outside of winterfell blowing horns when theon and his guys were inside? i guess i never thought of that. like maybe his sister's men. i was always under the impression that it was bolton's guys.
see i took it as he set him free from the bolton house/castle made it look like he could escape just so the sadistic POS could re capture him and bring him back home. he left no survivors amongst the search party so he could just say theon killed them all but i got him back. i took it all as one big troll/mindfrick on theon.
so you're saying he was outside the castle in S2. but greyjoy men were original captors then this dude (bolton) re-captured him?
i'm probably not following you correctly.
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it seems like it was implied the Ironborns burned Winterfell right after they knocked out Theon and stabbed the Maester. I'm not sure if Lord Bolton sent his Bastard with any men at all.
so are you saying it was greyjoy men outside of winterfell blowing horns when theon and his guys were inside? i guess i never thought of that. like maybe his sister's men. i was always under the impression that it was bolton's guys.
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also seem to remember Ironborns being Theon's original torturers, and then the Bastard saves him just so he can do it himself.
see i took it as he set him free from the bolton house/castle made it look like he could escape just so the sadistic POS could re capture him and bring him back home. he left no survivors amongst the search party so he could just say theon killed them all but i got him back. i took it all as one big troll/mindfrick on theon.
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Bastard was trolling Theon outside the walls with the horn the whole time, just because he's a sadistic POS.
so you're saying he was outside the castle in S2. but greyjoy men were original captors then this dude (bolton) re-captured him?
i'm probably not following you correctly.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 11:39 am to TDTGodfather
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i took it all as one big troll/mindfrick on theon.
Same here. Its one of the greatest/sickest troll jobs I have seen on TV. Its right up there with Cartman feeding Scott Tennerman chili made from his parents and having Radiohead make fun of him.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 11:47 am to TDTGodfather
Here's how I have it:
Season 2
1. Theon and the Ironborns sack Winterfell
2. Robb agrees to let Lord Bolton send his bastard and 200 men to reclaim it
3. Theon and the Ironborns prepare to defend Winterfell from The Bastard and his 200 man army
4. Theon gets knocked and the Ironborns leave
Season 3:
1. Theon is chained up and interrogated by Ironborns (or people wearing Ironborn clothes)
2. Theon escapes the dungeon with help of Bastard
3. Bastard kills Theon's captors and helps him escape again
4. Bastard puts him right back where he was
So in summation, I assume Winterfell was already burned before the Stark/Bolton army sieged it and Theon might have been tortured/toyed with by Bolton's dressed as Ironborns the whole time.
Season 2
1. Theon and the Ironborns sack Winterfell
2. Robb agrees to let Lord Bolton send his bastard and 200 men to reclaim it
3. Theon and the Ironborns prepare to defend Winterfell from The Bastard and his 200 man army
4. Theon gets knocked and the Ironborns leave
Season 3:
1. Theon is chained up and interrogated by Ironborns (or people wearing Ironborn clothes)
2. Theon escapes the dungeon with help of Bastard
3. Bastard kills Theon's captors and helps him escape again
4. Bastard puts him right back where he was
So in summation, I assume Winterfell was already burned before the Stark/Bolton army sieged it and Theon might have been tortured/toyed with by Bolton's dressed as Ironborns the whole time.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 11:51 am to Billy Mays
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Here's how I have it:
Season 2
1. Theon and the Ironborns sack Winterfell
2. Robb agrees to let Lord Bolton send his bastard and 200 men to reclaim it
3. Theon and the Ironborns prepare to defend Winterfell from The Bastard and his 200 man army
4. Theon gets knocked and the Ironborns leave
Season 3:
1. Theon is chained up and interrogated by Ironborns (or people wearing Ironborn clothes)
2. Theon escapes the dungeon with help of Bastard
3. Bastard kills Theon's captors and helps him escape again
4. Bastard puts him right back where he was
So in summation, I assume Winterfell was already burned before the Stark/Bolton army sieged it and Theon might have been tortured/toyed with by Bolton's dressed as Ironborns the whole time.
gotcha. i now understand.
i think i'm sticking with it being boltons all along. only b/c he gets brought back to the same place. i didn't really pay attn to what everyone was wearing when theon first wakes up in S3
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:49 pm to aVatiger
"They cling to the realm" -Could be referring to Varys
"or the Gods"-could be Ned
"or Love"-could be Sansa
"or the Gods"-could be Ned
"or Love"-could be Sansa
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:56 pm to TDTGodfather
The only part about that that is fricked is that it means he killed 3 of his own men just to frick with Theon. Dude is sick as shite but something like that would have to be planned in order for them to escape. I'm pretty sure three dudes didn't agree to die just to troll Theon.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:22 pm to BOSCEAUX
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something like that would have to be planned in order for them to escape. I'm pretty sure three dudes didn't agree to die just to troll Theon.
I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that the guy torturing Theon didn't let the other captors in on his whole plan....if any of it.
Eta: his plan was just to con Theon into trusting him to gain info...the guards were just collateral, if not intentional, damage to gain that trust. He's a suck frick, I'm guessing he doesn't really care who he hurt in the process.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:43 pm to DanglingFury
I can see that but I'm having trouble seeing what the endgame is other than torturing Theon. He already got the info the Stark boys are alive. If all this shell game shite is just a troll way of killing Theon ill be disappointed. This arc needs a good payoff for the screen time it's gotten.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:00 pm to iluvdatiger
quote:do you even speak to anyone in these threads or do you just post whatever fart comes out of your head?
"They cling to the realm" -Could be referring to Varys
"or the Gods"-could be Ned
"or Love"-could be Sansa
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:02 pm to Billy Mays
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1. Theon is chained up and interrogated by Ironborns (or people wearing Ironborn clothes)
2. Theon escapes the dungeon with help of Bastard
I am confused. So Bolton sends his bastard to save Winterfell. After the Ironborns leave with Theon, they chain him up somewhere to interogate him. And then the guy that the Ironborn were preparing to defend against, somehow gets into there torture chamber, frees Theon, chases the Ironborn down who are now looking for Theon. And then, he brings Theon back to where he just freed him and somehow he has control of this place.
WTF???
ETA: I'm not buying that.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:09 pm to CarRamrod
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do you even speak to anyone in these threads or do you just post whatever fart comes out of your head?
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:11 pm to LSUSilverfox
Robb's plan was to turn Theon's own men against him by offering them mercy in exchange for bringing Theon back alive, hence why the Ironborns chained him up and Bastard was let in.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:03 pm to Billy Mays
So the Bastard breaks Theon out from the iron borns, kills 3 of them and takes Theon back to the same place? Were those the only 3 iron borns there. If not wouldn't the other ones be pissed?
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