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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Sn 4 - Offseason Discussion ***Spoilers Possible***

Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:37 pm to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

It's possible, right?


My only counterpoints would be:

1) From all accounts, a lot of Robert's bastards were well taken care of (ex: the whore he knocked up on the show mentions it, in the books we know of bastards that are in the care of high lords/ladies, etc). I don't think that would be exclusively a Lannister point.

2) As said, we know that Jon Arryn visited him from Gendry's own mouth. Jon was very close with Robert having essentially fostered him. I sincerely doubt he wouldn't report that back to Robert.

3) The Lannisters wouldn't be so dumb as to hide him in the city of Kings Landing. Not when we know by history that anytime a Lannister and Baratheon has bred together, they develop the physical characteristics of a Baratheon.
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:57 pm to
Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:01 pm to
did the cersei stuff go down in the books like it did in the show?
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:09 pm to
It is possible, but aside from what others have pointed out.

Robert's oldest bastard was born prior him and Cersi marrying. Mya Stone, she lives in Vale, he wanted to bring him to King's Landing but Cersi said it wouldn't be safe to keep a royal bastard in the capital.

If that theory was true Cersei wouldn't have kept him in King's Landing.


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the person paying for his well being i assumed was Jon Arryn.

you assume wrong, but it could have been meant to look that way
Posted by OFWHAP
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:15 pm to
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did the cersei stuff go down in the books like it did in the show?



As in confessing to Tywin? I'm not 100% sure but I don't think it did. Cersei doesn't get a point of view until book 4, and Tywin never had one.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:28 pm to
Nah. That theory isn't possible. Cersei force aborted Robert's child, and then demanded his head. It was Varys that was the one who was looking out for him, and I'm sure it was just in case he needed to quickly dispose of the Illegitimate Baratheon bloodline.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 4:34 pm to
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I like kashonly's theory about Gendry:



he's King Hodor
Posted by UMRealist
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 6:47 pm to
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Cersei doesn't get a point of view until book 4


Wow that's pretty surprising
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:05 pm to
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Wow that's pretty surprising


She's really not in too many scenes in these seasons without Ned, Sansa, Tyrion, or Jaime being present.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:07 pm to
Posted by UMRealist
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:09 pm to
I loved last night when Varys heard the bells. He was just like "nope.. frick that."
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:11 pm to
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 I loved last night when Varys heard the bells. He was just like "nope.. frick that." 


Posted by BlacknGold
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:17 pm to
does he actually leave with Tyrion in the books? I know everyone says he pretty much disappears after this, but i feel like if he leaves with Tyrion, youd still see him then.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:19 pm to
Yeah I believe he stays with him until they get off the boat
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:19 pm to
No. He's supposedly creeping around the depths of King's Landing. Everyone knows he's the only one who could truly bail Tyrion out and that he has a soft spot for him. I can see where they'll take his character though and that it won't interfere with his overall arc.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:24 pm to
Huh.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:25 pm to
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:29 pm to
Dat process doh

Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:41 pm to
But he didn't say elf one more time...
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