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re: Game of Thrones S6E7 "The Broken Man" (book reader thread - NO LEAKS)
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:14 pm to UncleBlazer
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:14 pm to UncleBlazer
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Shitty writing? Because we didn't see him rowing around with Haldon and JonCon? Isn't that what everyone complains about with Dany?("just get to westeros already"). Aegon would be the typical hero in every other fantasy. Instead he is going to be the final step to Dany becoming Cersei.
Yes, introducing the heir to the throne in book 5 of a 7 book series is terrible writing and beneath George RR Martin.
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:19 pm to OMLandshark
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Of the hardcore readers, I'd say it's the most widely accepted theory besides R+L=J.
Not even close.
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Varys character just doesn't make sense if he's protecting Rhaegar's child,
Explain please. Why would Varys throw away having the ultimate trump card? Hell, it might not even be Vary's final piece but he definitely would play the piece.
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Golden Company breaking their first contract over a Targaryen
Having all their lands restored?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:25 pm to ohiovol
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Yes, introducing the heir to the throne in book 5 of a 7 book series is terrible writing and beneath George RR Martin.
That would make sense if he ended up as the last character standing. He's not.
I don't know how you can call it terrible writing until you've read it. Whatever happens to Aegon, it won't be terrible writing unless it's done poorly.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:25 pm to UncleBlazer
quote:Other targ offshoots have had the traits.
Illyrio's son that has every Targaryen trait? Seems like Illyrio got very lucky
And if he's so important, why has the show cut him out? It's more likely that GRRM told them that he's fAegon and that he gets killed as such, and they cut him out because they didn't want to spend time on him just to have him die.
fricking Ole Miss figs. God, I'm going to love watching you suck this year.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:29 pm to OMLandshark
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Of the hardcore readers, I'd say it's the most widely accepted theory besides R+L=J.
I would argue that it's third behind HS=HR and R+L=J.
But yeah, I don't think anyone believes that fAegon is truly a targ. It just wouldn't make sense to throw him in the story so late without at least mentioning him or hinting about it prior.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:29 pm to blueboy
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Other targ offshoots have had the traits.
I mean he might be a blackfyre but it just seems odd that illyrio and Varys' put all their chips on somebody they may or may not be able to pass off as Rhaegar's son.
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And if he's so important, why has the show cut him out? It's more likely that GRRM told them that he's fAegon and that he gets killed as such, and they cut him out because they didn't want to spend time on him just to have him die.
It's his death at Dany's hands that will be important. He can still be Rhaegar's son and not be important in the end game. It's obvious he won't either way.
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fricking Ole Miss figs. God, I'm going to love watching you suck this year.
Dude seriously?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:30 pm to UncleBlazer
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Of the hardcore readers, I'd say it's the most widely accepted theory besides R+L=J.
Not even close.
And you can support this?
I'm still waiting for someone here to agree with you...
And it is your opinion that Aegon is Raegar's son, correct?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:33 pm to LucasP
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I would argue that it's third behind HS=HR and R+L=J.
Gravedigger=Hound, Alleras=Sarella, Bloodraven are just 3 off the top of my head
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:35 pm to UncleBlazer
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Illyrio's son that has every Targaryen trait? Seems like Illyrio got very lucky
His wife was said to have been very beautiful with silver hair. The theory is that Serra is Varys sister, and the reason the warlock paid so highly for Varys in the first place is he knew he had kings blood. So Illyrio and Varys are brother in laws. Illyrio also happens to have children's clothes laying around. The theory has a lot of substance to it.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:36 pm to UncleBlazer
Bloodraven is the 3ER in the books, that can be put to bed.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:37 pm to 19
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And you can support this?
Yes, I know for a fact that Hound=Gravedigger is more widely accepted than fAegon. That's just one to make it not #2.
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And it is your opinion that Aegon is Raegar's son, correct?
I think he is Rhaegar's son but I know the arguments for both sides so I realize he might not be. It's definitely not so cut and dry like people pretend it is.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:43 pm to UncleBlazer
My argument isn't if fAegon is legit, its about how many people accept the idea he's an imposter.
The examples you're citing as theory are law in most circles, at best not considered crackpot in the least (BR, Gravedigger)
The examples you're citing as theory are law in most circles, at best not considered crackpot in the least (BR, Gravedigger)
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:43 pm to UncleBlazer
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Gravedigger=Hound, Alleras=Sarella, Bloodraven
I think all of those are confirmed in book or show or both. The only one that's not is Sarella and I think most people just accept that as fact.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:44 pm to UncleBlazer
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Jon couldn't run the Night's Watch without getting assassinated
Because he was doing the right thing, and that's not so popular with the people of Westeros. He's not a back stabbing little twit like Varys is.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:44 pm to UncleBlazer
quote:So important that he is not and will not be in the show.
He can still be Rhaegar's son and not be important in the end game.
quote:Yeah. You lost too much. That little hot-head punk primadonna is going to be running for his life all season long.
Dude seriously?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:47 pm to UncleBlazer
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And it's not like George didn't foreshadow. He repeatedly wrote that Aegon's face was unrecognizable. Too much actually. It would actually be shitty writing for Varys(freaking Varys) to not switch the babies knowing the trouble Aegon was in if Robert won.
No it would be shitty writing for Varys to actually be interested in the well being of Rhaegar's child. If he had any interest in Rhaegar and truly meant what he said in "doing what's good for the Realm", he would have conspired to put Rhaegar on the Iron Throne. Instead he drives a wedge even further between Aerys and Rhaegar and watches the realm burn. It makes no sense why Varys would want to protect Rhaegar's child.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:48 pm to LucasP
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I think all of those are confirmed in book or show or both. The only one that's not is Sarella and I think most people just accept that as fact.
The show is not the books.
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The only one that's not is Sarella and I think most people just accept that as fact.
Meaning it's widely accepted?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:49 pm to UncleBlazer
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Having all their lands restored?
If they thought that, then they would have joined with Viserys years ago. Instead they are his food and laughed at him.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:50 pm to OMLandshark
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Because he was doing the right thing, and that's not so popular with the people of Westeros. He's not a back stabbing little twit like Varys is.
Debatable. Also, Jon is like Ned in that he can't convey his actions to other people. If Jon sat down with Bowen and had a long talk about what he was doing and why, maybe he could help Bowen understand. Jon would be assassinated in King's Landing much faster
Posted on 6/7/16 at 5:51 pm to UncleBlazer
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Meaning it's widely accepted?
Meaning its not crackpot, instead basically spoon-fed to the reader.
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