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re: Game of Thrones S6:E3 "Oathbreaker" Bookreader Thread
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:46 pm to PatDyesPants
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:46 pm to PatDyesPants
Maybe Tradition? A stark must always be at Winterfell? What if umber knows who Jon really is bc Howland Reed told him? Everyone is in on the plan to get Jon away from the wall and back at his rightful place at winterfell. Putting rickon up as bait is risky but they got nothing to lose at this point.
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:55 pm to iluvdatiger
This. Osha's reaction was very different from what I expected it to be. She seemed a lot calmer than what we're used to. She and Rickon were both pretty quiet and not wildly thrashing and screaming.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:00 pm to iluvdatiger
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Putting rickon up as bait is risky but they got nothing to lose at this point.
Except Rickon's head. If Ramsay truly believed that he had the loyalty of Karstarks and Umbers, he wouldn't bother keeping Rickon's head on another second. He wouldn't even need him as a hostage. There is no way Jon Snow and some wildlings could capture a Winterfell held by Bolton, Umber, and Karstark.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:11 pm to UncleBlazer
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If Ramsay truly believed that he had the loyalty of Karstarks and Umbers, he wouldn't bother keeping Rickon's head on another second.
Unless he plans to use Rickon as bait for Sansa or Jon.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:23 pm to PatDyesPants
Rickon is (to Umber's knowledge) the last male of the Stark line. He is significantly more valuable than Sansa or Jon.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:26 pm to PatDyesPants
Well, and I hate to say this, in the show Rickon is dispensable to Sansa and Jon. Show Ramsay, Jon, and Sansa all know that Bran is alive and heir to Winterfell
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:26 pm to CorporateTiger
I meant maybe Ramsey won't kill him because he wants Sansa.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:26 pm to iluvdatiger
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Everyone is in on the plan to get Jon away from the wall and back at his rightful place at winterfell.
Jon isn't the heir to Winterfell. The line of Winterfell went Ned -> Robb -> Bran (except no one knows he is alive) -> Rickon.
If Rickon and Bran died, and Benjen is actually dead, then Jon would be the heir of Winterfell.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:31 pm to CorporateTiger
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Rickon is (to Umber's knowledge) the last male of the Stark line. He is significantly more valuable than Sansa or Jon.
Exactly. Rickon has 10x more claim to the North than Sansa and Jon put together. There is no way that you would risk what could be the last male Stark heir by putting him in the hand of a psychotic kinslayer like Ramsay.
Now I'm not saying that D&D won't go that route (although I do have reasons for thinking they won't), but if they do it will be solely for the purpose of trying to yet again trick/shock the audience, and not for good storytelling. No house that has any loyalty to the Starks would ever put the possible last remaining heir to Winterfell in that kind of danger.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:33 pm to CorporateTiger
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Jon isn't the heir to Winterfell
Unless there is someone to verify that the King of the North made Jon a legitimate stark and his heir
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:34 pm to UncleBlazer
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Show Ramsay, Jon, and Sansa all know that Bran is alive and heir to Winterfell
No, they all know that Theon didn't kill him, and went North of the wall. But none of them know if he is still alive. Heck, Rickon doesn't even know if he is alive considering it's been quite awhile since even he has seen him.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:34 pm to Bamatab
They could be gambling that he will keep Rickon alive to bait Snow back to Winterfell, but that doesn't mean he won't torture the shite out of him in the meantime. The GNC could still be alive, but if so it wasn't thought out well by the writers.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:35 pm to wildtigercat93
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Unless there is someone to verify that the King of the North made Jon a legitimate stark and his heir
Did they ever show/insinuate that Robb did that in the show? I can't remember
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:35 pm to Bamatab
Jon has no clue bran is alive and north of the wall. Sam never told him
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:36 pm to CorporateTiger
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Rickon is (to Umber's knowledge) the last male of the Stark line. He is significantly more valuable than Sansa or Jon.
Well, I think Rickon and Osha knew Bran was alive when they parted. If they (Rickon and Osha) have been staying with the Umbers pretty much since then, I would think that the Umbers would have the same knowledge.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:36 pm to UncleBlazer
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Did they ever show/insinuate that Robb did that in the show? I can't remember
i dont think they did in the show
if only there was a way for someone to look back into the past.....
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:37 pm to wildtigercat93
In the show he does
Because there is no coldhands telling him not to
Because there is no coldhands telling him not to
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:38 pm to iluvdatiger
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I think it's all a setup to gain bolton trust, get them all in one place and kill off every bolton army member when they least expect it. Probably at a party somwhere.
Like a Red Robin party?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:39 pm to wildtigercat93
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Unless there is someone to verify that the King of the North made Jon a legitimate stark and his heir
I guess that would be the only way that Jon would turn out to be more important to the north than Rickon.
But even if that were the case, there is no guarantee in their knowledge that Jon would except it. They don't know that his watch as ended. Just because Rob (and Stannis) thought they could trump the Nights Watch rules, technically I don't think they could since Jon still made his oath.
But yeah, if someone actually has Rob's decree, then Jon could possibly be more valuable than Rickon.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:40 pm to UncleBlazer
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In the show he doe
im like 99.99999 percent sure he doesnt
could be wrong tho
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 10:41 pm
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