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Posted on 4/16/13 at 6:21 pm to wish i was tebow
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Stannis and her are not married..
I knew his wife couldn't bear him a son, but I meant more that he and Red chick are sort of together. Married or not is pretty irrelevant to the point I was making.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 6:29 pm to CocomoLSU
They really aren't together in that way. It's kinda hard to explain but she's almost like an advisor to him and she's with the gods or whatever.
I'm spacing on his name but its explained I believe in the early Episodes on season 2 when Stannis and that guy are talking. ( the guy who's on the rock in the first episode of this season)
What's is seeming like their together is Stannis need for power and wanting her to give him power to be king etc
I'm spacing on his name but its explained I believe in the early Episodes on season 2 when Stannis and that guy are talking. ( the guy who's on the rock in the first episode of this season)
What's is seeming like their together is Stannis need for power and wanting her to give him power to be king etc
Posted on 4/16/13 at 6:50 pm to wish i was tebow
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the guy who's on the rock
the Onion Runner or whatever
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t's kinda hard to explain but she's almost like an advisor to him and she's with the gods or whatever.
this is how I see it- apparently, arranged marriages for the sake of consolidating power takes precedent over anything when it comes to these noble houses. So, I'm guessing ole Stannis got forced into something with some skank he doesnt give two shits about. Not to mention, he seems like a cold-hearted mofo, so I'm not very surprised if he doesnt give a frick about the honor of marriage. Not to mention, his other brother was a world-class whore monger, and his younger brother preferred tube steak over puff sushi...perhaps marriage vows dont have much of a place a place in his family.
so, Stannis could easily have locked his wife up in a tower as he goes about life, and then there was the part that she couldnt give him a son (or something like that?).....so, she's doubly useless to him
and now he's faced with this hot red-head hooker who promises him power and a son if he jumps religions. At this point, it doesnt seem as if he gives a frick on whether he's openly cheating on his old lady or not. She's just a means to an end for him....with a nice set of tits. Like Tony Soprano, you got your wife, and then you have your piece of arse...two separate chicks
Posted on 4/16/13 at 6:56 pm to Uncle Stu
Yeah.
His wife is far away. I think they said she's in bad health but I don't remember
His wife is far away. I think they said she's in bad health but I don't remember
Posted on 4/16/13 at 9:33 pm to wish i was tebow
Yeah, she's at least incapable of having a baby, so I assume she's back home where Stannis is from, possibly dying too.
I've been lurking this board for days and the is the most momentum we've gained toward actually discussing the show. It's really not that hard to do, so let's keep it up.
Also wanted to say I was SHOCKED at Jaime losing his hand- literally gasped out loud. I'd be willing to bet Tywin is devastated when he hears about it and it affects their relationship. The Lannisters are falling apart.
I've been lurking this board for days and the is the most momentum we've gained toward actually discussing the show. It's really not that hard to do, so let's keep it up.
Also wanted to say I was SHOCKED at Jaime losing his hand- literally gasped out loud. I'd be willing to bet Tywin is devastated when he hears about it and it affects their relationship. The Lannisters are falling apart.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:17 pm to Kamtheman106
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Yeah, she's at least incapable of having a baby
Thats the implication, but Stannis could be impotent. Baratheon men don't seem to do very well at making babies with their wives.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:23 pm to PowerTool
Well, the Red Lady said Stannis' wife "couldn't give him what he wanted" and then told him she would give him a son.
And then he impregnated her and she gave birth to a smoke monster baby, soo...
And then he impregnated her and she gave birth to a smoke monster baby, soo...
Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:40 pm to Kamtheman106
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Thats the implication, but Stannis could be impotent. Baratheon men don't seem to do very well at making babies with their wives.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it was said that Stannis has a daughter or two.
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oud. I'd be willing to bet Tywin is devastated when he hears about it and it affects their relationship. The Lannisters are falling apart.
I made a comment about this earlier in the thread ( obviously easy to miss just sayin). The question that I posed was how will tywin react considering both of his kids are "crippled". Such a proud man has 2 "broken" sons. But who knows if tywin ever see his son again and I'm sure rob isn't gonna rush to tell him that his hand his cut off considering Jaime is leverage.
This brings up a lot or interesting things that I think people are kinda just glossing over and worried about if Jaime is right handed or not.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:53 pm to Kamtheman106
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Well, the Red Lady said Stannis' wife "couldn't give him what he wanted" and then told him she would give him a son.
And then he impregnated her and she gave birth to a smoke monster baby, soo...
re-watching this.....
noticed (a) she needs "kings blood" & (b) for a sacrifice
this could go one of a 1000 different directions.....what constitutes king's blood?
Baratheon? that would be slim pickings as Arya's padna is the only one I can think of that's still alive
Targareon? I think dragon tits is the only one left
or Lannister? take your pick
ETA: or Starks??
so is she going to sacrifice someone so Stannis can get his Westero-viagra & drop another seed in her so she can birth another smokey? or an actual kid this time?
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:54 pm to wish i was tebow
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This brings up a lot or interesting things that I think people are kinda just glossing over and worried about if Jaime is right handed or not.
Stop critiquing the other posters and just add whatever you have to add.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 11:43 pm to Uncle Stu
Thanks Stu, I'm glad I could help get this thread going in some kind of direction.
On King's blood:
I don't know/remember enough about the history of Westeros to be able to figure out who the "true king" is.
1. It's definitely not Joffry who is a pure Lannister, this shouldn't be on the throne.
2. Robert took the throne from the Targaryans, so would Baratheon blood be "kingly?"
2a. Obviously, since she is with Stannis in the first place. If she believes Stannis to be the rightful king by blood, she would have to eliminate other rivals, "blood rivals." That's why I think it's Arya's pal.
3. I think this eliminates the Targaryans. Their way far away and not involved.
This is obviously based on a few things. Firstly, if the Red Witch knows about Arya's friend's existence and his real father which only Ned and the kid knew, right?
On King's blood:
I don't know/remember enough about the history of Westeros to be able to figure out who the "true king" is.
1. It's definitely not Joffry who is a pure Lannister, this shouldn't be on the throne.
2. Robert took the throne from the Targaryans, so would Baratheon blood be "kingly?"
2a. Obviously, since she is with Stannis in the first place. If she believes Stannis to be the rightful king by blood, she would have to eliminate other rivals, "blood rivals." That's why I think it's Arya's pal.
3. I think this eliminates the Targaryans. Their way far away and not involved.
This is obviously based on a few things. Firstly, if the Red Witch knows about Arya's friend's existence and his real father which only Ned and the kid knew, right?
Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:03 am to Ryne Sandberg
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. Obviously, since she is with Stannis in the first place. If she believes Stannis to be the rightful king by blood, she would have to eliminate other rivals, "blood rivals." That's why I think it's Arya's pal
this makes the most sense
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which only Ned and the kid knew, right?
no, I think John Eryn knew, and the old monk/wizard guy at king's landing knows. So it stands to reason, at least one or two other people know about the blacksmith's apprentice
Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:25 am to Uncle Stu
I knew about Jamie and it still shocked me.
The chair scene was awesome.
The chair scene was awesome.
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Posted on 4/17/13 at 12:29 am to Uncle Stu
That's right, well, we'll see how powerful Melisandra is soon enough
Posted on 4/17/13 at 5:41 am to Uncle Stu
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noticed (a) she needs "kings blood" & (b) for a sacrifice
I caught this the first time around but want to rewatch it. She said something about him not being strong enough and she needed someone to sacrifice to him him strength.
Renly must have been the first sacrifice but she fricked stannis before sending the cuntmonster.
Hopefully she fricks up that little blonde nitwit king.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 7:32 am to Uncle Stu
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ETA: or Starks??
Starks have never been king and dont have any "rightful" claim to the throne. Rob doesnt want to be king at kings landing, he just wants Joffrey dead and do pretty much succeed.
other than that I like that we are talking about go theories etc now... it only took til wed
And also Im still trying to figure out what i believe with the strong enough convo. I think you could very well be right or on the right track but just not sure how i feel about it yet
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 7:34 am
Posted on 4/17/13 at 8:07 am to wish i was tebow
Finally watched off the DVR and all I can say is wow at the ending... The Kingslayer lost his hand!! Played the "daddy" card once too often...sucks cause all he had to do was be quiet after saving Brienne. Im gonna watch it agan tonight but here are my thoughts on whats upcoming:
* No way Daenerys gives up one of her dragons. I think once the "Unsullied" become loyal to her, she will have them detroy the city and take back the 3rd dragon. She didnt take it too kindly the news about the babies being killed and the slaves being punished.
* I think Brienne suddenly will feel guilty seeing that Jaime lost his hand. She didnt kill the guy who ended up ratting them out to the "Flayed Men".
* Not sure whats going to happen to Theon...I see him eventually turning on his father and sister since I they ultimately disapporoved of his sacking of Winterfell and he will not get honor for it
* Sam is gonna kill Craster ...he knows what Craster will do the infant boy, but Jeor knows as well about Craster, so that will make things interesting
* So The King Behind the Wall has given his orders. I think someway Jon Snow convinces the Crows to lay down their weappons and joing the Wildlings...I think its either that or be killed, especially with the White Walkers on the move
....the scene with "The Hound" was puzzling to me. What the heck happened that I missed to have him greeted with open arms last episoode and chanined up in the next?
...also wondering what Tyrion will do now that he knows Little Fingers secret and that the crown is basically broke. Will he notify the creditors? His family seemingly has turned their back on him and mock him openly
Interesting that
* No way Daenerys gives up one of her dragons. I think once the "Unsullied" become loyal to her, she will have them detroy the city and take back the 3rd dragon. She didnt take it too kindly the news about the babies being killed and the slaves being punished.
* I think Brienne suddenly will feel guilty seeing that Jaime lost his hand. She didnt kill the guy who ended up ratting them out to the "Flayed Men".
* Not sure whats going to happen to Theon...I see him eventually turning on his father and sister since I they ultimately disapporoved of his sacking of Winterfell and he will not get honor for it
* Sam is gonna kill Craster ...he knows what Craster will do the infant boy, but Jeor knows as well about Craster, so that will make things interesting
* So The King Behind the Wall has given his orders. I think someway Jon Snow convinces the Crows to lay down their weappons and joing the Wildlings...I think its either that or be killed, especially with the White Walkers on the move
....the scene with "The Hound" was puzzling to me. What the heck happened that I missed to have him greeted with open arms last episoode and chanined up in the next?
...also wondering what Tyrion will do now that he knows Little Fingers secret and that the crown is basically broke. Will he notify the creditors? His family seemingly has turned their back on him and mock him openly
Interesting that
Posted on 4/17/13 at 8:08 am to CootKilla
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I caught this the first time around but want to rewatch it. She said something about him not being strong enough and she needed someone to sacrifice to him him strength.
Renly must have been the first sacrifice but she fricked stannis before sending the cuntmonster.
Hopefully she fricks up that little blonde nitwit king.
I think she may just want to frick things up for everyone. In the scene a while back on the beach (when Stannis converted to her light/fire religion thing), she talked about darkness consuming everything and everyone dying and the Lord of Light and blah blah. And she got those people to denounce the Seven (and convert to her light religion..relightgon?). Talked about how the dead would rise in the North and all that too. And clearly with the talk she had on the beach with Stannis, she is playing him and using him like a pawn for something bigger (for her lord of lights I guess). So she may just be nothing more than a chaos creator and wants to see the world burn (for lack of a better term).
Also, when she also convinces Stannis to sire her shadow murder baby, she said that his wife had only given him stillborns, so I'm not sure Stannis has daughters.
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