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re: Fear City. New York vs The Mafia

Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:42 pm to
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:42 pm to
Wish they would have tied in Henry Hill and Donnie Brasco storylines into it
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:44 am to
Scarpa’s story is wild. Informant for nearly thirty years all the while killing dozens of people and being known as the grim reaper of the mafia
Posted by BorrisMart
La
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:46 am to
I'm still waiting on a movie adaption of the Murder Machine book, or specifically Roy Demeo and Nino Gaggi's story. So much more interesting than a fifth John Gotti movie. Or dare I say it a Louisiana one, except I don't think all that much is really known about the going ons from that era down here.
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 10:21 am to
It was really good. Interesting to hear from all the people who worked on it. Although I thought that John Savarese's contributions were not mentioned enough. He did a lot of the heavy heavy lifting for Giuliani.

All those guys got exactly what they deserved. From a legal standpoint, though, I always thought Tony Salerno being in there was a stretch because he was not a member of "The Commission" at the time of the Galante hit. Those guys really talked too much.

Had Castellano not been killed by Gotti thdy might have gotten off. That hit really sealed the mob's fate imo. From what I understand Castellano knew how to keep the others in line because he was smarter than the rest. One of the agents on it told me that you really could not help liking Salerno and that Castellano was off the charts smart.
Posted by BorrisMart
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 12:10 pm to
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I always thought Tony Salerno being in there was a stretch because he was not a member of "The Commission" at the time of the Galante hit.


I almost mentioned that earlier. I've always read that Fat Tony was the front boss and Vincent Gigante was the boss, and supposedly the FBI knew that (via wiretaps) and they indicted Salerno as the boss anyway. Not that it matters but I guess that is just a nod to how clever Gigante was for a very long time. Although by all accounts Tony Salerno was extremely powerful/rich.
Posted by GeauxAggie972
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 12:14 pm to
Was looking forward to this. Will probably go through it this weekend. I can never get enough Mafia stuff
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 12:49 pm to
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. Or dare I say it a Louisiana one,


I would love a serious, multi episode documentary of the Marcello family.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 1:47 pm to
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Had Castellano not been killed by Gotti thdy might have gotten off.


Maybe, but I think they had like 20 plus murders with the Demeo crew and the Westies tied to Castellano and a ginormous international stolen car ring tied to him as well. As he never made it to trial, they weren't named as RICO predicates. I would guess that your friend was right and he was a brilliant guy though, most of the top level guys were. It was cool to see them talk about the concrete bid rigging scheme though. Supposedly the FBI even (unknowingly) paid a few million extra when they built a new building in Manhattan.
Posted by SCLibertarian
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:23 pm to
The Genovese Family was on another level when it came to evading law enforcement. They developed the idea of the front boss to fool the Feds. The FBI thought Frank "Funzi" Tieri was the boss in the 1970's, when it was really Philip "Benny Squint" Lombardo. By the 1980's, they thought Fat Tony Salerno was the boss when it was really Chin Gigante.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 7/25/20 at 7:50 pm to
It really is amazing from a historical/human standpoint. Besides Carlo Gambino (and really the time period he was alive in made his evading detection much more possible), Vincent Gigante was about as shrewd as they come.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
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Posted on 7/25/20 at 11:51 pm to
I was impressed that they were showing Giuliani in such a favorable light. But as soon as they started discussing the mob being involved in the construction business, I started telling myself "There's no way they try to shoehorn Trump into this, is there?" Sure enough, 2 minutes later, they show Trump Tower going up and have footage of him as well. They just can't fricking help themselves.
Posted by Loungefly85
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Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 7/26/20 at 12:16 am to
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Michael Franzese


I went see him speak at a baptist church a few years ago because I eat up all that mafia shite.

I go back and forth between thinking he exaggerates quite a bit and thinking he holds back sometimes.

But even a middle ground of what he says makes for an interesting story.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 7/26/20 at 12:28 am to
Combine this with Vigalente about the guardian angels and you learn what a shitehole NYC was in the late 70s early 80s. It's like Death Wish was a documentary.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
8812 posts
Posted on 7/26/20 at 10:09 am to
quote:

I go back and forth between thinking he exaggerates quite a bit and thinking he holds back sometimes.

But even a middle ground of what he says makes for an interesting story.


Agreed. I feel like he is full of shite a lot of times. There are a lot of proponents alleging that the whole gas tax scheme was started by the Russian's and Gaspipe Casso took it to the level it was and Franzese started trying to back up into it until, to avoid problems, the bosses decided it was big enough for everyone and split it up some. The problem is that without informants telling their "stories" (whether true or not) we would have virtually no knowledge of anything that happened so either way it makes for good entertainment. Wasn't Giuliani's father involved in organized crime? lol
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