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Everyone on here who said NK was secondary and Cersei is the main villain, is it Dany now?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:16 am
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:16 am
Just curious to hear opinions.
Lots of posters claimed last week that the White Walkers didn't really have anything to do with the story and that it was all about the Throne and Cersei.
Since Cersei literally did nothing and stood in a tower and cried are y'all moving on to Dany as the villain now?
Is it still Cersei to you?
Thoughts and discussion encouraged.
Lots of posters claimed last week that the White Walkers didn't really have anything to do with the story and that it was all about the Throne and Cersei.
Since Cersei literally did nothing and stood in a tower and cried are y'all moving on to Dany as the villain now?
Is it still Cersei to you?
Thoughts and discussion encouraged.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:17 am to CBandits82
also the Iron Throne is completely demolished and doesn't exist any longer.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:18 am to CBandits82
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also the Iron Throne is completely demolished and doesn't exist any longer.
This show was always about the throne!!! Can you not even read the title!!!
DragonsZZZZ!!
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:18 am to CBandits82
Pretty obvious the WW were to level the playing field to create a closely contested sacking of King’s Landing dude.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:19 am to St Augustine
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Pretty obvious the WW were to level the playing field to create a closely contested sacking of King’s Landing dude
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:19 am to CBandits82
NK and Cercei got 7 seasons of build up as a villain
Fits in so well with this season that the main villain would end up Dany whose turn gets introduced in the second to last episode of the series
Fits in so well with this season that the main villain would end up Dany whose turn gets introduced in the second to last episode of the series
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:19 am to CBandits82
Idn if you think of Season 7 and 8 as 1 season (they were going to do 7 and they split the last season)
We spent 10/13 episodes dealing with the NK.
That’s not bad.
Who the main bad guy is sorta has been feints. He got 3/6 episodes of season 6. Cersei got 2 Dany gets 1 (as a villain)
We spent 10/13 episodes dealing with the NK.
That’s not bad.
Who the main bad guy is sorta has been feints. He got 3/6 episodes of season 6. Cersei got 2 Dany gets 1 (as a villain)
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:24 am to wildtigercat93
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NK and Cercei got 7 seasons of build up as a villain
Fits in so well with this season that the main villain would end up Dany whose turn gets introduced in the second to last episode of the series
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:25 am to wildtigercat93
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NK and Cercei got 7 seasons of build up as a villain
Fits in so well with this season that the main villain would end up Dany whose turn gets introduced in the second to last episode of the series
bitter
sweet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:28 am to CBandits82
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also the Iron Throne is completely demolished and doesn't exist any longer.
It really makes you seem like an idiot when you throw in zingers like this knowing that when people said the throne they meant being the ruler of the 7 kingdoms. No one thinks the series is about the literal seat made of swords.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:30 am to Adam Banks
while symbolic, Dany's acts should effectively break up the 7 kingdoms
we know the North isn't joining and i doubt Dorne does
sweet Robyn is not going to frick with them either, unless he wants revenge on Sansa for that slap
there aren't kingdoms in the Reach, River Lands, or the Storm Lands anymore, also
*ETA: i guess under Dany, Gendry is the ruler of the Storm Lands so scratch that. she's got the Storm Lands and the Iron Isles
we know the North isn't joining and i doubt Dorne does
sweet Robyn is not going to frick with them either, unless he wants revenge on Sansa for that slap
there aren't kingdoms in the Reach, River Lands, or the Storm Lands anymore, also
*ETA: i guess under Dany, Gendry is the ruler of the Storm Lands so scratch that. she's got the Storm Lands and the Iron Isles
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 9:35 am
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Wait. There still is a 7 kingdoms?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:33 am to Mystery
oh yeah. nothing in the Westerlands, either
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
I think Dany’s act might turn some people off but what are they gonna do?
Muh Scorpions.
Muh Scorpions.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 9:35 am
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:36 am to SammyTiger
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but what are they gonna do?
John is obviously going to kill her, and then there won't be a "Seven Kingdoms" (which is why I included the Storm Lands earlier, b/c Gendry won't be legitimized if Dany doesn't remain ruler)
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
I am legitimately concerned st this point that Jon kills Dany and some enormous Essos fleet lands to take over the completely wrecked Westeros continent.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:39 am to SammyTiger
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and some enormous Essos fleet lands to take over the completely wrecked Westeros continent.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:40 am to SammyTiger
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I am legitimately concerned st this point that Jon kills Dany and some enormous Essos fleet lands to take over the completely wrecked Westeros continent.
would be kind of cool at this point
Posted on 5/14/19 at 10:14 am to CBandits82
Let me put it this way.
In the books, between lavish descriptions of feasts and a few rapes thrown in here and there, the Fat Man would have planted the seeds for Dany to be the one true villain undergoing a slow mental breakdown.
The problem is El Lardo effectively stopped writing the books about a decade ago. Either he finished them and is waiting to see if his ideas sink, or he's been gorging himself on fatty foods waiting for his call to Writer's Heaven.
Which gives us the show directors. With everything they have to cover for the last two seasons, without a book to guide them and just GRRM mumbling something about do this and see if you can make some more of the actresses get nekkid, they sort of focused on getting to the finish line.
So Dany's slow nervous breakdown isn't given the time it needs to resonate with the audience.
Would it have been better if they had been showcasing Dany going bonkers for the last two seasons? Well, yes, and no.
The problem with a late game villain switch is that you spent oh my Jesus amount of time setting up certain bad guys only to have a "haha surprise" switch. It just isn't going to carry the same ummph with the audience.
The original Star Wars built up the Emperor as the main villain and Vader as his terrifying henchmen. Let us change that to, in the final movie, actually in the final 30 minutes of that movie, they suddenly say "surprise! It was actually Princess Leia who was the real main villain!"
Do you think folks would have quite so much love for the original series they'd tolerate the fairly crappy movies they've gotten since?
Its a bait and switch and there is a good reason people get annoyed about it.
You can be too unpredictable for your own good.
Now, I know some of you will start caterwauling now, claiming I am upset that a feminist hero was turned into the villain. I could give a flying frick up a running rat's a-hole. Dany, Cersei, Ice Zombie King, or a renegade Toto from the Wizard of OZ here to frick things up... fine. Set it up and build it up.
GRRM and the show runners failed to do that. If you spend 6 books setting up certain villains and then make a last second switch you deserve the scorn you will get.
In the books, between lavish descriptions of feasts and a few rapes thrown in here and there, the Fat Man would have planted the seeds for Dany to be the one true villain undergoing a slow mental breakdown.
The problem is El Lardo effectively stopped writing the books about a decade ago. Either he finished them and is waiting to see if his ideas sink, or he's been gorging himself on fatty foods waiting for his call to Writer's Heaven.
Which gives us the show directors. With everything they have to cover for the last two seasons, without a book to guide them and just GRRM mumbling something about do this and see if you can make some more of the actresses get nekkid, they sort of focused on getting to the finish line.
So Dany's slow nervous breakdown isn't given the time it needs to resonate with the audience.
Would it have been better if they had been showcasing Dany going bonkers for the last two seasons? Well, yes, and no.
The problem with a late game villain switch is that you spent oh my Jesus amount of time setting up certain bad guys only to have a "haha surprise" switch. It just isn't going to carry the same ummph with the audience.
The original Star Wars built up the Emperor as the main villain and Vader as his terrifying henchmen. Let us change that to, in the final movie, actually in the final 30 minutes of that movie, they suddenly say "surprise! It was actually Princess Leia who was the real main villain!"
Do you think folks would have quite so much love for the original series they'd tolerate the fairly crappy movies they've gotten since?
Its a bait and switch and there is a good reason people get annoyed about it.
You can be too unpredictable for your own good.
Now, I know some of you will start caterwauling now, claiming I am upset that a feminist hero was turned into the villain. I could give a flying frick up a running rat's a-hole. Dany, Cersei, Ice Zombie King, or a renegade Toto from the Wizard of OZ here to frick things up... fine. Set it up and build it up.
GRRM and the show runners failed to do that. If you spend 6 books setting up certain villains and then make a last second switch you deserve the scorn you will get.
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