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Everyone loves to give Kevin Costner grief for his accent in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves
Posted on 9/19/20 at 10:49 am
Posted on 9/19/20 at 10:49 am
This is a spin-off thread from the one on bad casting decisions. Everyone talks about Kevin Costner's lack of ability to do proper accents. Just about every movie he's in where he has to put on an accent he ends up botching it. With Robin Hood, he didn't even attempt to hide his American accent, never once changing his voice to fit the character. Funnily enough, most historians now think that the "American" accent (or some variation of it) was the original "English" accent, so Costner's portrayal of Robin Hood was actually more historically accurate than anyone who came before or after him.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 11:13 am to RollTide1987
I don't care what anyone says, I liked that movie. Then again, I was of the generation that saw that and other Costner movies in the theater.
Costner has limited (at best
) range, but that was the appeal; he seemed like an everyday guy. He reminded me a lot of a couple guys I went to school with. To me, that made it easier to empathize with him in movies where we're supposed to identify with his character.
Costner has limited (at best
Posted on 9/19/20 at 11:37 am to RollTide1987
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most historians now think that the "American" accent (or some variation of it) was the original "English" accent
Nice try. Not-the-same-as-current-British-accents doesn’t equal American accent.
Costner sucked in that movie.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 11:38 am to Scoob
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I don't care what anyone says, I liked that movie.
It's highly entertaining and English accent or no, Costner is a solid leading man in that film. And you can tell that Alan Rickman was having loads of fun in the role of Nottingham.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 11:41 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Not-the-same-as-current-British-accents doesn’t equal American accent.
The English accent of today sounds nothing like it did at the time of the Third Crusade (when Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves is set). The American accent of today is much closer to the English accent of that period. But it's all beside the point because the English nobility (of which Robin of Locksley would have been part of) would have been speaking French at that particular time. English was the language of the peasant class in 12th century England.
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 9/19/20 at 11:53 am to RollTide1987
Take it easy. His accent in JFK was fricking terrible, too. Almost as bad as Kevin Bacon.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:01 pm to SidetrackSilvera
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His accent in JFK was fricking terrible, too.
Historians now agree that New Orleans attorneys in the 1960’s did in fact talk like Foghorn Leghorn.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:11 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Most of the fuss about "accents" in film, just a lot of misguided thespian snobbery.
The English accent of today sounds nothing like it did at the time of the Third Crusade (when Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves is set). The American accent of today is much closer to the English accent of that period. But it's all beside the point because the English nobility (of which Robin of Locksley would have been part of) would have been speaking French at that particular time. English was the language of the peasant class in 12th century England.
Regardless of actual dialect, MOST film/story protagonists are supposed to be clearly liked and understood by the audience. That's advanced by making him easily understood, not by making him "authentic".
Look into Lord of the Rings, Tolkien wrote that the Common Speech (Westron) was translated into English for the benefit of the reader. So in reality, the entire story would be gibberish, not just the Elves talking and singing.
Back to Robin Hood, he was a man of the people, and the film was targeted to Americans first and foremost. As such, him sounding like Bill down the street, that fits into the theme, not make it worse. It does irritate the Brits, but that's because it's not THEIR film.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:19 pm to Scoob
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Back to Robin Hood, he was a man of the people, and the film was targeted to Americans first and foremost. As such, him sounding like Bill down the street, that fits into the theme, not make it worse. It does irritate the Brits, but that's because it's not THEIR film.
It irritates many. There are very few British people on this board. The mistake was having everyone else have British accents. Now Costner sticks out like a sore thumb, and because he sticks out so much, it totally takes people out of the spell of the film. Now people have something to distract them in a way that the filmmakers clearly didn't intend or want.
Your argument for clearly understood doesn't work if who is clearly understood achieves that in a way that distracts or potentially ruins the larger whole.
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:24 pm to RollTide1987
Alan Rickman carried the film though
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:42 pm to RollTide1987
The one he has in Yellowstone is also pretty awful.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:15 pm to RollTide1987
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Funnily enough, most historians now think that the "American" accent (or some variation of it) was the original "English" accent
Yeah they say Americans speak English with an accent that is more like Shakespeare's English than modern day Brits do.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:24 pm to RollTide1987
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so Costner's portrayal of Robin Hood was actually more historically accurate than anyone who came before or after him.
Yeah if Robin Hood was in the 14th century and within a few hundred years of Shakespeare's time, it would follow that Costner sounded more authentic than all the modern day Brits around him.
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So what’s popularly believed to be the classic British English accent isn’t actually so classic. In fact, British accents have undergone more change in the last few centuries than American accents have – partly because London, and its orbit of influence, was historically at the forefront of linguistic change in English.
In fact they say when Brits have done Shakespeare all these years they botch some of the puns in the writing because of their accents.
That's why they now have Original Pronunciation productions of Shakespeare and they say its far easier for American actors to do it than modern day Brits.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:34 pm to Scoob
quote:frick that. Surrounding him with actors with (or attempting) British accents just made it worse. Costner attempted a British accent, it was horrible, so they said frick it and just went with what they had. They didn't back into a wonderful everyman portrayal of Robin Hood. They had a leading man who didn't work. What they should've done was to tell every American actor to drop their British accents, so Costner wouldn't be as conspicuous.
Back to Robin Hood, he was a man of the people, and the film was targeted to Americans first and foremost. As such, him sounding like Bill down the street, that fits into the theme, not make it worse.
Even with the mix of Brits, Americans, and Americans with Mid-Atlantic accents in Errol Flynn's Robin Hood, no one stood out like a sore thumb.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:43 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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What they should've done was to tell every American actor to drop their British accents, so Costner wouldn't be as conspicuous
Why not? We have war movies where the Nazis just speak American English (which is better than speaking English with some strange German accent.)
I don't think anyone had a problem with Valkyrie when EVERYONE in the movie just spoke their normal regular everyday accent...Tom Cruise, some Brits playing Nazis, etc.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:45 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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I don't think anyone had a problem with Valkyrie when EVERYONE in the movie just spoke their normal regular everyday accent...Tom Cruise, some Brits playing Nazis, etc.
It's not like anyone was fooled into thinking Slater and Freeman were anything but American actors.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:51 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I just never had a problem with Kevin Costner's accent in the film. I feel like it would have been much worse had Costner tried an English accent and failed miserably at it. Him using his own accent was the best choice for the film IMHO.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 4:38 pm to RollTide1987
He was great in The Big Chill
Posted on 9/19/20 at 5:28 pm to RollTide1987
Costner did an accent in Prince of Thieves?
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