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re: Elon Musk chimes in on Helen of Troy being black in Nolan’s Odyssey; now confirmed by Time
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:07 am to Linoge
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:07 am to Linoge
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the goal the studios are pushing. Which is to rewrite history
The odyssey isnt history. Its a made up story. If you had ever read it you would've realized that.
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Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:15 am to BluegrassBelle
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It’s a myth. It’s not “real history”.
Mostly agree with your comments, but I think this comment is misplaced. Helen is the foundation of the story. She is the catalyst for all the action. Her casting should be close to the source material for the story to be true to its own internal logic. No one is fighting for 10 years for this Helen.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:16 am to BluegrassBelle
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My criticism is largely for those who CAN influence production through financial means. If it bothers someone like Musk so much, why doesn't he invest in a studio that will produce a version of The Odyssey he feels is appropriate? His net worth is over 5 billion, correct? Surely that won't put that much of a dent in his pocket.
so your opinion is that anyone who can afford to make their own movies cannot criticize movies?
also you detract from your argument when you say things like:
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if the "wokeism" is so devastating for your cultural identity
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:20 am to CatfishJohn
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The whole point of per character is her physical traits, which are clearly described and are the archetype of beauty at the time.
Fair skinned, white armed, golden hair.
I think Lupita is pretty and a good actress, but putting her in this role will just be a distraction. The casting and costumes for this movie have been disappointing overall.
Sure.
I don't exactly see Matt Damon as Odysseus either though. But Nolan obviously has a vision.
I wouldn't have thought Heath Ledger would've made a good Joker either until he was the best one since Jack. So I'm just trusting that Nolan knows what he's doing in this regard.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:24 am to Sam Quint
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so your opinion is that anyone who can afford to make their own movies cannot criticize movies?
I think you should probably put your money where your mouth is if it's that much of an issue.
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also you detract from your argument when you say things like
I mean that's the literal argument here. That a black woman cast as Helen is a cultural identity issue because it goes against what is defined as so beautiful to start a war over. Multiple people in this thread have mentioned issues with doing against the "culture" of it.
All that said, we're arguing a casting that isn't even confirmed at this point. She was argued to be Athena until it was revealed that Zendaya is.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:25 am to BluegrassBelle
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I don't exactly see Matt Damon as Odysseus either though. But Nolan obviously has a vision.
I wouldn't have thought Heath Ledger would've made a good Joker either until he was the best one since Jack. So I'm just trusting that Nolan knows what he's doing in this regard.
Do you understand the differences here?
The whole point of Helen of Troy is her physical appearance which is clearly described in the source material.
It's like if Timothy Chalamet played Goliath in a David v. Goliath movie.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:28 am to CatfishJohn
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Fair skinned, white armed, golden hair.
This is the standard for Helen of Troy. To cast Lupita as Helen is dumb. Pretty woman, decent actress, not Helen of Troy. This isn't a Netflix remake, this is Homer.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:30 am to Saint Alfonzo
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This is the standard for Helen of Troy. To cast Lupita as Helen is dumb. Pretty woman, decent actress, not Helen of Troy. This isn't a Netflix remake, this is Homer.
Thank you!
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:31 am to BluegrassBelle
quote]I think you should probably put your money where your mouth is if it's that much of an issue.[/quote]
lol ok. "that much of an issue" = just saying something about it?
no, the issue is that the character of Helen is supposed to be beautiful. the potentially cast actress is not beautiful.
she was cast for one reason and one reason only, and that is so that people like you could accuse people of racism for arguing against the casting. you know it, i know it, everyone knows it. you'll never acknowledge it, but you know i'm right.
lol ok. "that much of an issue" = just saying something about it?
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I mean that's the literal argument here. That a black woman cast as Helen is a cultural identity issue because it goes against what is defined as so beautiful to start a war over. Multiple people in this thread have mentioned issues with doing against the "culture" of it.
no, the issue is that the character of Helen is supposed to be beautiful. the potentially cast actress is not beautiful.
she was cast for one reason and one reason only, and that is so that people like you could accuse people of racism for arguing against the casting. you know it, i know it, everyone knows it. you'll never acknowledge it, but you know i'm right.
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 4:28 am
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:31 am to CatfishJohn
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Do you understand the differences here?
The whole point of Helen of Troy is her physical appearance which is clearly described in the source material.
It's like if Timothy Chalamet played Goliath in a David v. Goliath movie.
I do. I just imagine that if Nolan has cast her as Helen there's a likely a reason he has done so and I'm willing to trust that.
And again, we're all assuming she's Helen. There's a solid chance that she's not and she's another character instead.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:32 am to Sam Quint
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no, the issue is that the character of Helen is supposed to be beautiful. the potentially cast actress is not beautiful.
she was cast for one reason and one reason only, and that is so that people like you could accuse people of racism for arguing against the casting. you know it, i know it, everyone knows it. you'll never acknowledge it, but you know i'm right.
Where have I called anyone racist for disagreeing with her casting? Please, by all means point that out.
Some of y'all are ate the frick up over people not sharing your outrage.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:33 am to BluegrassBelle
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I do. I just imagine that if Nolan has cast her as Helen there's a likely a reason he has done so and I'm willing to trust that.
It will ruin the film for many, just because of the distraction of gross miscasting.
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And again, we're all assuming she's Helen. There's a solid chance that she's not and she's another character instead.
Fair enough
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:41 am to BluegrassBelle
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Where have I called anyone racist for disagreeing with her casting? Please, by all means point that out.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:45 am to CatfishJohn
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It will ruin the film for many, just because of the distraction of gross miscasting.
Doesnt it seem a little premature to jump to this conclusion before you even know who is cast as Helen of Troy?
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:47 am to BluegrassBelle
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Where have I called anyone racist for disagreeing with her casting? Please, by all means point that out.
The proverbial "you" will certainly accuse people of racism for pointing out the absurd miscasting of Helen.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:01 am to Proximo
It won't happen. The movie will get "Snow Whited".
Btw, that chick-Lupita Nyongo (spelling?) is dog fu#$&@ ugly.
Btw, that chick-Lupita Nyongo (spelling?) is dog fu#$&@ ugly.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:06 am to sgallo3
See rest of post
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:07 am to hogcard1964
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Btw, that chick-Lupita Nyongo (spelling?) is dog fu#$&@ ugly.
Beauty in eye of the beholder and all, but I think she's got a very striking face in a good way. Bone structure, etc.
She's just not Helen of Troy.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:08 am to BluegrassBelle
Athena would be more palatable. She’s a god who can probably take on whatever form she wants.
Helen is a spartan though, so if that ends up being the casting I’m probably out. Would take the immersion out of the movie for me, which is one of the things Nolan usually does best
Helen is a spartan though, so if that ends up being the casting I’m probably out. Would take the immersion out of the movie for me, which is one of the things Nolan usually does best
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 11:10 am
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:08 am to CatfishJohn
Definitely a "striking face". Lol
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