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re: Directors with the best filmography
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:36 pm to HueyLongJr
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:36 pm to HueyLongJr
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Yeah, the general audience does not love Kubrick’s movies. Film nerds might. Personally, I think 90 percent of his movies are boring technical exercises of the highest level.
If the criteria is "best discography," it should not be based on the general public. If we do that, it would just be several marvel directors. Also, Lolita, Dr. Strangelove and Spartacus were all box offices successes in their time (not a lot of good data for that early) and Full Metal Jacket (30m budget/120m box office), 2001 (10.5m/146), and A Clockwork Orange (1.3m/114m!!!!!! Wow!!!) were all big commercial hits. The more I think of it, the more SK's 11-0 run is impressive.
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Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:18 pm to rebelrouser
Never thought I’d have to defend Kubrick as a success on a film forum.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:21 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
I like She Wore a Yellow Ribbon best out of the trilogy.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:34 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Never thought I’d have to defend Kubrick as a success on a film forum.
Or anywhere, really
Posted on 7/31/24 at 2:24 pm to Jay Are
LOL, you Kubrick guys need to grow a hide. I think Kubrick is great. I watch his movies them all the time. But it’s almost universally acknowledged that his movies are emotionally cold and detached. They are long and sometimes tedious. They are overly concerned with theme and visuals at the expense of character and drama. Even Kubrick acknowledged some of this. He wanted his movies to have these tendencies. You don’t think film geeks criticize Kubrick? GTFOH. Should he be on this list? Undoubtedly. Is he at the top of the list? Doubtful.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 2:34 pm to HueyLongJr
You obviously haven't seen any Kubrick movies if you don't think he has good characters.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 2:59 pm to theunknownknight
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Clint Eastwood is on his own category period. Dude is a GOAT director, GOAT actor, and songwriter
He has the longest and best resume in Hollywood History.
I love Eastwood. In the Eastwood vs Wayne western debate I've always been team Eastwood and you're probably right about when it comes to resume, because it is very long and accomplished when you consider acting and directing.
But he definitely isn't the GOAT direct. One of the best, but he has had too many duds. He pumps a movie out every year for 100 years straight now like Woody Allen (whom I loathe), and he has 15x as many good movies as Woody Allen, but I'd rather quality over quantity.
That sounds like I am hating on Eastwood, I'm not, because I love him, but he really had a lot of mises as a director.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 3:01 pm to Brosef Stalin
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You obviously haven't seen any Kubrick movies if you don't think he has good characters.
Yeah, Heywood Floyd and Dave Bowman were such awesome characters. You guys are hilarious. In Kubrick’s most acclaimed movie the most compelling character is a computer. Nothing I’m saying is controversial. It’s widely discussed in film criticism. Kubrick himself said he wanted 2001 to be a visual nonverbal experience, so it’s a bit removed for a dramatic narrative.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 3:10 pm to HueyLongJr
quote:Now you're just trolling. Humbert Humbert, Dr. Strangelove, Gen. Jack Ripper, Jack and Wendy Torrance, Gny. Sgt. Hartman, Private Pyle Lawrence... Yeah, no awesome characters there.
Yeah, Heywood Floyd and Dave Bowman were such awesome characters. You guys are hilarious.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 3:12 pm to HueyLongJr
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Yeah, Heywood Floyd and Dave Bowman were such awesome characters. You guys are hilarious. In Kubrick’s most acclaimed movie the most compelling character is a computer.
Colonel Dax from Paths of Glory
Redmond Barry from Barry Lyndon
Joker from Full Metal Jacket
Spartacus from Spartacus
were all pretty interesting characters.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 3:43 pm to rebelrouser
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were all pretty interesting characters.
They lean more towards well written types than actual characters. Joker uses an ironic persona to protect himself....and never drops it. He beings by making a wisecrack to Hartman and ends by signing the theme to Mickey Mouse club. FMJ is a great movie, but it's not because of the characters.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 5:01 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:It’s a great one. I Love it too. Heroics on set got young Ben Johnson a seven year contract working for Ford. He was a stunt double riding for Henry Fonda. Horses pulling a wagon with three men in it bolted. Johnson happened to be mounted, took off and stopped the runaway wagon. Ford was impressed and promised to reward him. Johnson hoped for some more double work or an odd speaking part. Ford called him into his office and gave him an envelope with a contract in it. Johnson read until he got to the $5000 or so per week, stopped reading, signed it, and handed it back to Ford
I like She Wore a Yellow Ribbon best out of the trilogy.
Interesting tidbit: A tombstone in the cemetery has on it only the name DeVoto. It’s believed to be an homage to the historian Bernard DeVoto. And this;
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Ford and cinematographer Winton C. Hoch based much of the film's imagery on the paintings and sculptures of Frederic Remington. Hoch won the Academy Award for Best Cinematography, Color in 1950.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 5:27 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:GTFOH.
It's not that Kubrick had some or a majority of his works turn out to be great, it's that he got on base with his first two films and then hit eleven home runs in a row.
Barry Lyndon is average.
The Shining is a slog.
Full Metal Jacket loses most of its momentum once they get to Vietnam.
Eyes Wide Shut is fricking embarrassing.
That's a couple of singles, a double, and a strikeout looking.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 7:22 pm to HueyLongJr
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You don’t think film geeks criticize Kubrick? GTFOH. Should he be on this list? Undoubtedly. Is he at the top of the list? Doubtful.
They do and they should, and he's not at the top of my list. I have several directors ahead, though I'm not as interested in the high batting average/low volume that the OP's question favors.
You said Kubrick is respected, but general audiences do not love him. That is not true. A director's name doesn't get to be so well known amongst general audiences for passive respect for their films. His films seem like art pieces now, but they played to mainstream crowds. "Film geeks" know Kubrick is a mainstream gateway, because a kid's dad is still likely to show them full metal jacket or the shining or Spartacus or 2001 when they're too young because those films still induce so much excitement for people (even if maybe you and I don't respond to all of them as strongly).
And the computer being the most compelling or captivating character in 2001 seems like a feature, not a bug.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:02 pm to Jay Are
Pretty confident Kubrick was a pop culture figure post the release of 2001. I remember reading about him in the 70's when I was less than 10. Also, if you look at his filmography, it's interesting that when his movies are released, a surprisingly large number of them are not liked. It's only in retrospect that they become acclaimed.
I still contend that Kubrick movies have their fans, deservedly, but they are not loved like Spielberg movies, or Capra movies (odd that Capra not mentioned in this thread). What's the ET Phone Home moment in a Kubrick movie? There are no emotional payoffs. Not to say there aren't classic moments, but they don't hit emotional beats. IMO, he has a top 5 filmography over a lengthly period, but he's got some serious weaknesses.
Finally, re: HAL, real drama usually has the character transform over the narrative. Unless you want to think of 2001 as merely "Ode to HAL", then HAL is a bug, not a feature. Instead Bowman becomes Star Baby, but since Dave is basically a cipher, his becoming Star Baby doesn't really punch.
I still contend that Kubrick movies have their fans, deservedly, but they are not loved like Spielberg movies, or Capra movies (odd that Capra not mentioned in this thread). What's the ET Phone Home moment in a Kubrick movie? There are no emotional payoffs. Not to say there aren't classic moments, but they don't hit emotional beats. IMO, he has a top 5 filmography over a lengthly period, but he's got some serious weaknesses.
Finally, re: HAL, real drama usually has the character transform over the narrative. Unless you want to think of 2001 as merely "Ode to HAL", then HAL is a bug, not a feature. Instead Bowman becomes Star Baby, but since Dave is basically a cipher, his becoming Star Baby doesn't really punch.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:42 pm to pevetohead
Brian DePalma put out some pretty awesome movies too. But yeah, it’s difficult to beat Kubrick’s eye. Plus unlike those other directors, Kubrick did nearly all of it himself. He set the lights, he was the cinematographer, he was the director, his camera knowledge is frankly impossible to replicate.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 8:30 am to HueyLongJr
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What's the ET Phone Home moment in a Kubrick movie? There are no emotional payoffs.
"I am Spartacus."
"Gentlemen you can't fight in here. This is the war room."
"Heeeeeeeeres Johnny"
Posted on 8/1/24 at 8:55 am to Richleau
DePalma should be on the list, IMO. Also odd that Capra, Preminger, Wyler, Wilder, Sturges, and Lubitsch have not been mentioned.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 4:37 pm to HueyLongJr
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What's the ET Phone Home moment in a Kubrick movie? There are no emotional payoffs.
Paths of Glory
Your argument just got fricked with no lube
Posted on 8/1/24 at 5:05 pm to pevetohead
christopher nolan
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