re: Cobra Kai Season 5 (Released Today) Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers Welcome

What if one of the 3 kids get killed

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Chozen

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he was beaten and humbled as a person by the end of that film. Seems like after that point is when he truly began to learn from his uncle.

Had he won, he would have become a killer. And he always had that weird laugh and sense of humor.

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I absolutely cannot believe they didn’t throw in a “geisha” and “you keep for your correction..” quote into this season. I was waiting for it the whole time.




And I am so glad the Mexico shite was wrapped up in the first couple episodes and not revisited. I was sort of wondering if Miguel’s dad would show back up, and maybe that’s one direction they can take in the next season. But I was worried for a minute that Johnny, Miguel, and Robby would be tied up in Mexico for half the season or more.

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Agree with all of that. Kenny is weak and tiny, and is still sort of new to karate. They ramped him up to 11 without him having earned any of it. It felt forced and ridiculous.

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I could see it if he was fighting kids his own age, but he's a Jr high kind of freshman kid holding his own against junior/seniors who have at least double the experience in martial arts..had they developed some of his former bullies his own age, it may be better. I could see him beating penis breath or demetri but not the current champ.

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Simply put, I think Robby wins the world tournament as a redemption win for Johnny since that’s what the whole show is based on, him losing.

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Absolutely. He’s got Johnny’s athleticism and natural ability but Daniel’s fighting/mental temperament and technique. Miguel is kind of a hot head like Johnny. He’s actually more like Johnny than Robby is. Daniel has even said Robby is super talented, more talented than Daniel himself and others have said he’s more of a natural than even Johnny was. And with the entire snow being Johnny’s redemption, it can’t end any other way.

They still need to show that Miguel is still badass and a worthy 1b to Robby’s 1a but the title goes to Robby

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I’ve been down with anything for this show but Kenny vs Robby in the world finals would make me not happy

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They should have had Robby beat his arse and actually hurt him. Not on purpose, but kind of in a way that Kenny was going crazy and Robby had no choice but to defend himself and Kenny ended up getting the horns after messing with the bull too much.

That would give Robby inner turmoil again after using his strength in a way that hurt someone again.


Then Kenny’s brother, an actual badass, gets out of juvi and vows to get revenge, setting him up as the big bad next year.



Sorry, when Kenny’s big enemy all series has been fricking Anthony, seeing him take on Hawk and Robby with zero consequences just didn’t work for me

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Absolutely. He’s got Johnny’s athleticism and natural ability but Daniel’s fighting/mental temperament and technique. Miguel is kind of a hot head like Johnny. He’s actually more like Johnny than Robby is. Daniel has even said Robby is super talented, more talented than Daniel himself and others have said he’s more of a natural than even Johnny was. And with the entire snow being Johnny’s redemption, it can’t end any other way.

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I kind of disagree with you on some of this. Miguel has always been the Daniel to Johnny's Miyagi. Johnny basically saved Miguel from being bullied, taught him how to standup for himself, and eventually became the father figure that Miguel never had just like Miyagi did with Daniel.

Heck, the focus of the whole first season for Johnny was basically on Johnny's relationship with Miguel, and how he basically led Miguel down the same path Kreese led him. Then the focus the second season for Johnny was him trying to undo the "no mercy" mindset that he instilled in Miguel. The focus for Johnny in the third season was on rehabbing and training Miguel both mentally and physically after being paralyzed. In the fourth season one of the major focuses for Johnny was his insecurity of the growing relationship between Miguel and Daniel, and him at the end basically "failing" him as a father figure by pushing him into the karate tournament when it was obvious Miguel was trying to deal with other issues. And then the beginning of this last season was Johnny once again trying to right his wrong by going after Miguel. And when Miguel realized that his biological father was a POS, and thought he had lost his chance to have a father, Johnny shows up and Miguel tells his mom that he'll be alright.

To me, Robby has always been a kind of counterweight to Miguel and Johnny's relationship. Robby is Daniel's student not Johnny's, and that was highlighted once again this season when Daniel is in Mr. Miyagi's room and Robby tells him he didn't fail him has his teacher. And in my opinion of the overarching storylines throughout the show, one of, if not the biggest storylines has always been Johnny and Miguel's relationship and it's parallel with Daniel and Miyagi's relationship.

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Kyler at the end tossing his Cobra Kai gear didn't make sense to me. He's been a dick from the beginning, seems like he would have been ok with Silver cheating.

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He is more than fine with Silver cheating, I think. However, Kyler is a follower. He is Kenny's follower. Kenny took off his stuff, Kyler did too.

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Could have done without the Mexico stuff. Although the "FBI" shite was funny.

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This was the base for a Miguel-Robbie reconciliation. I liked it and, like Cocomo said, it didn't drag out. I mean, it would have felt forced if Johnny had grabbed both of them and said "Carmen's pregnant" and they would have been besties after that. Almost like "Martha" from Batman vs Superman.

I agree with everything else you said.

Also, i completely disagree with the people saying the Mexico stuff was bad. I thought it was essential in bringing Johnny, Robby and Miguel all together. There were some VERY good emotional moments in Mexico. That Johnny and Miguel hug in the street was one of the most emotional scenes in the entire series.

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I think the season is leading to some heavy Robby/Johnny time and Robby fighting under Robby Lawrence this season instead of Keene

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Yeah I agree with this.

The show worked hard the past two seasons to make Robby more likable because I think the end game is him taking the title to complete Johnny’s redemption, like you said.

It wouldn’t work if we didn’t like him.


Miguel is a great character and has always been likable. He’s already overcome so much, winning All Valley, overcoming a terrible injury, finding his father and realizing his mom did the right thing, accepting Johnny as his new father figure and now becoming a real family with Carmen and their baby, and finally being together with Sam with no distractions. He’s won more than anyone in the show.


Robby hasn’t even won a tournament yet. I was pleasantly surprised but a little confused when Hawk beat him last year, but that’s because his moment to win will be on the biggest stage possible with Johnny as his biggest support, and that will be what takes away that moment when Daniel’s kick sent his life spiraling out of control.



Daniel will likely have his own victory with Sam winning the girls tournament, in his Miyagi moment.


I can’t wait to see how exactly they do it, because this show has been about as consistent at knowing what it is and staying true to itself as any I can think of.