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re: Christopher Nolan speaks on today's comic book movies
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:37 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:37 pm to RollTide1987
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Which three are you referring to? If we're going by the average rating on Rotten Tomatoes (not the percentage that everyone obsesses over), only one Marvel film even matches The Dark Knight Rises and that is The Avengers. No other MCU film eclipses a 7.7/10 average rating. Both TDKR and The Avengers are at an 8.0/10 average rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
We could do this with any amount of data points.
Guardians, Civil War, Winter Soldier, Thor Ragnarok all have higher percentages on RT.
Civil War, Iron Man 3, and the Avengers all made more money.
Most are withing 3-4 points of the Metacritic score, etc.
Many of these get the same CinemaScore.
I'm just saying if TDKR is so clearly a good film because of data....then so are a plethora of films you'd rather not say are.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:44 pm to RollTide1987
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The vast majority of those being shorter, silent films made between 1917-1930. And there's a reason why you know John Ford's name. It's not for the quantity of his work, but the quality of it. The man won four Oscars for directing, more than any other in the history of the business.
So is the "privilege and luxury of time" important or is the director important?
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The director isn't the only man/woman on set. They almost always utilize the same producers and much of the same creative staff.
Most producers work on multiple films at a time. If you can point me to some data that shows what percentage of the teams at Marvel and WB work on films is consistent from film to film, and show me where people are overworked, then you can make your case.
But if this is just an assumption...ehhh. The fact that Marvel CAN pump these out, at such a high quality (and that WB is working on it), should tell you that they are building to scale this way and not to make one film at a time. You don't think that Marvel has staff to make 3 films at a time rather than Nolan's staff to make 1 film at a time?
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You speak of this as if it's a good thing.
It is, and by all measure that you quote above, Rotten Tomatoes, IMDB, Box Office, Cultural Celebrations like Year End Lists and what not, it is.
If you agree with Nolan, and agree that Universes are a bad thing for film, then I'd like to hear your proposal on how you would replicate Comic Books on film. I mean a world of super heroes and super villains fighting each other across the cosmos in a variety of stories, circumstances, times, etc. How would you build that kind of artistic output? Or how do you think Nolan would?
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:48 pm to jg8623
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And compared to the average comic movie, it doesn't "suck"
Completely agree. It's fine if you don't like it, but at least be consistent. Don't nitpick one film and then give a pass another because "it doesn't take itself serious."
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Don't nitpick one film and then give a pass another because "it doesn't take itself serious."
Do you hold Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail to the same standards as Schindler's List? Or do you evaluate them differently because they are created with different intentions?
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:00 pm to lsutigersFTW
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He didn’t have to deal with shared universes. His trilogy was self-contained and story/character-centric rather than trying to connect his stories to a bigger picture
This, and he was allowed to develop his own take on probably the second most iconic character in comics. They didn't need to keep films coming in order to introduce characters and keep them fresh in the audience's minds. That allows some luxury of time, which is important in treating such a well known character.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:15 pm to Freauxzen
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Do you hold Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail to the same standards as Schindler's List? Or do you evaluate them differently because they are created with different intentions?
Horrible comparison.
A better comparison would have been Schindler's List vs. Life Is Beautiful or The Pianist vs. The Boy in the Striped Pajamas.
We are talking about films in the same genre here, not a satirical comedy vs. a Holocaust drama.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:15 pm to Marciano1
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He had the privilege of making The Dark Knight Rises at his own convenience and it still sucked.
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This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:21 pm to Freauxzen
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Guardians, Civil War, Winter Soldier, Thor Ragnarok all have higher percentages on RT.
The percentages DO NOT matter as much as the rating. A film could be 100% on Rotten Tomatoes and have a 7.7/10 rating. Whereas another film could be 94% on Rotten Tomatoes and have a 9.2/10 rating. Which is the better film? The one where everyone liked it, or the one where the people who did like it liked it a hell of a lot more than the film everyone liked?
There's a reason why Nolan's Batman films are the only comic book movies to have had any serious Oscar buzz surrounding them. While more people were entertained by those early MCU films, the ones who were entertained by Nolan's Batman films liked them more than their Marvel counterparts. Hence why I care a lot more about how much the critics liked a film over how many liked a film.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:11 am to RollTide1987
quote:Thor. Made over 6 years
Do you think that studios should go back to affording directors the privilege and luxury of time that Nolan was able to have for his Dark Knight Trilogy?
5 years between Avengers movies
3 years between Guardians
looks like Marvel is more inclined to give time to develop.
And it also helps that they have a crystal clear vision for the shared universe.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 8:07 am to RollTide1987
I don't really view the Dark Knight trilogy as comic book movies. It's a crime drama and a damn good one.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:11 am to Freauxzen
I’d put TDKR ahead of all but the following Marvel films:
Iron man
Thor: Ragnarok
Guardians of the Galaxy
For me, that puts TDKR as the 5th best comic book movie just agead of Winter Soldier. 7th and 8th are Batman Begins and Watchmen.
Iron man
Thor: Ragnarok
Guardians of the Galaxy
For me, that puts TDKR as the 5th best comic book movie just agead of Winter Soldier. 7th and 8th are Batman Begins and Watchmen.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 1:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
There really is no debating The Dark Knight Trilogy.
Batman Begins - Greatest comic book origin story of all-time.
The Dark Knight - Greatest comic book movie of all-time.
The Dark Knight Rises - Solid conclusion to the hero’s journey.
Batman Begins - Greatest comic book origin story of all-time.
The Dark Knight - Greatest comic book movie of all-time.
The Dark Knight Rises - Solid conclusion to the hero’s journey.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:07 pm to Freauxzen
I'm not a TDKR hater at all but I would agree that at the very least Winter Soldier and Homecoming are better. That's not a slam btw.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:09 pm to RollTide1987
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The Dark Knight - Greatest comic book movie of all-time.
I just know Collider is going to put this #2 or 3 on their top 50 superhero movie list just to troll and generate nerd rage.
I will be among those triggered when it happens.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:23 pm to RollTide1987
Last comic book movies I saw
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:36 am to RollTide1987
I like Nolan and I like his Batman trilogy but I really like a new comic movie every year or so. I like that they’re pumped out quickly.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:17 am to biglego
The Dark Knight trilogy is unique where it is more of a drama than any other super hero based movie ever created. This is why it is so highly rated.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 12:46 pm to tenderfoot tigah
I agree. Never even seemed like a comic book movie to me.
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