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re: Breaking Bad S5E14 9/15 "Ozymandias"

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Posted by hiltacular
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:11 am to
I completely agree that he stops doing chemo... I just don't think he beats it again/was lying the entire time/etc. I think he knows he is dying and that is why he goes out his way (M60).
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:11 am to
Skylar has been a thorn in Walt's side since the beginning. Walt demise was going to be obvious. But Skylar's I'm innocent while holding the family together routine is pure bullshite. All while running behind Walt's back with Ted and not so innocently cooking his books. She finds out about the money Walt is making on his drug exploits and does and abrupt about face. She's a two faced tramp!
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:14 am to
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fricking spot on.



I loved his take on Walt's "I am the one who knocks!"


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he had become the one who knocks things over.



Posted by F machine
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:15 am to
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She finds out about the money Walt is making on his drug exploits and does and abrupt about face. She's a two faced tramp!


There is something to this. She has no problem using the money to get the IRS off of her back or help family members, but she does treat Walt like the plague because of the way he got the money. By no means is Walt innocent. He's a terrible person who has done terrible things, but like I said earlier, let's bring everyone's faults out into the open. There is no one innocent on this show except for Flynn and Holly. Everyone has done fricked up things that they shouldn't. Skylar is also indirectly at fault for Ted being paralyzed.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:17 am to
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yet the messageboards have been talking about Skylar like she is the devil incarnate.


My problem with Skylar isn't that she opposes Walt. It's that she can't make up her mind, emotional and inconsistent in her logic.

One minute she is ordering hits on Pinkman, the other she is breaking down in her car wash office.

I just don't understand it.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:17 am to
You can argue no one asked for any of this....except Walt.

He brought it on everyone....his actions.


Skylar is reacting to what Walt did to the family.

Jesse is reacting to Walt FORCING him to teach him how to cook.

Posted by craigbiggio
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:18 am to
Yeah Sky is no angel. What cracks me up are the ones who will rationalize Walt's actions while calling her a count.

They both may have good intentions (Walt providing for the family, Sky trying to hide the truth from the children about their father), but they completely sell their own souls and are responsible for death and ruining people's lives.
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:20 am to
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By no means is Walt innocent.
I am in no way sayin walt is innocent. his transformation is complete. I'm just pointing out that Skylar is not what people wanna paint her out to be.
Posted by hiltacular
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:23 am to
I think most of the comments directed toward Skyler are tongue in cheek fwiw.

In a tv show that has such awesome characters (walt,jesse,gus,saul, hank to an extent) it is easy to bash the worst ones... in this case it is marie, skyler and flynn.... No one wants to see the other side of the equation which in this case is Skyler.
Posted by F machine
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:23 am to
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You can argue no one asked for any of this....except Walt.


I'm not saying this isn't true. It is. Walt and Jesse did this. They are in this situation because of Walt, but that doesn't necessarily excuse their actions while in that situation. Hank, for example, was out for blood with Walt. I see his reasons why. I don't even necessarily disagree with them, but he was also basically willing to let Pinkman die just to get what he wanted. Also, like I said with Skylar, she pretty much put thugs on Ted so he didn't do anything stupid. Again, I don't even disagree. I probably would have done something similar, but it's not something that someone does who is on a moral high horse, which I find she often is/was.

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Jesse is reacting to Walt FORCING him to teach him how to cook.


This one I will disagree with. Jesse willingly put himself in this situation. After that Walt bullied him around, but Jesse was trying to become a drug dealer with Walt. What did he think might happen? Hank, Skylar, and most others were in this situation because of Walt. Jesse was not.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:24 am to
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My problem with Skylar isn't that she opposes Walt. It's that she can't make up her mind, emotional and inconsistent in her logic.

One minute she is ordering hits on Pinkman, the other she is breaking down in her car wash office.

I just don't understand it.




1. She's confused...scared....doesnt know how to act. She loves her family and Walt and doesnt see a way to keep everything together.

2. Her hand is forced several times and afterwards doesnt like what she had to do.


I am not saying she isnt at fault at all...but to hate Skylar basically says you are misogynist. Go start the He-Man woman haters club.
Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:25 am to
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Skylar has been a thorn in Walt's side since the beginning.


So she has been a thorn in the side of a murdering maniac? FOR SHAME SKYLAR!

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All while running behind Walt's back with Ted and not so innocently cooking his books. She finds out about the money Walt is making on his drug exploits and does and abrupt about face.


Never said she was innocent, but compare her sins to that of Walter's. Has Skylar killed anybody yet?
Posted by craigbiggio
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:25 am to
You can't differentiate between some junky she doesn't give a frick about and her sister's husband?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:26 am to
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It's that she can't make up her mind, emotional and inconsistent in her logic.

One minute she is ordering hits on Pinkman, the other she is breaking down in her car wash office.



same can be said for Walt
Posted by Cajun Revolution
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:27 am to
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but to hate Skylar basically says you are misogynist. Go start the He-Man woman haters club.



You got to be kidding me Because she is emotionally weak and just as bad as Walt?
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:27 am to
You hate women....its ok.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:27 am to
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You can't differentiate between some junky she doesn't give a frick about and her sister's husband?



No but the line is the line. You don't hop over it one minute and retreat the next.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:28 am to
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You hate women....its ok.



Because I don't care for her character? How many times have I criticized Marie and Lydia? None.
Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:29 am to
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You hate women....its ok.


I never hated Skyar more than when she fricked Ted behind Walt's back and then told him out of spite.


I was like "YOU frickING BITCH! I HOPE YOU FALL INTO A VAT OF ACID!"

Of course, I was going through a divorce at the time.
Posted by F machine
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:30 am to
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same can be said for Walt


Very true. Which is part of my point. Obviously Walt has done way worse shite than Skylar would/could, but she is just as flaky as he is a lot of the times. Still, she's no doubt not as bad of a person as Walt is. I don't give a frick though, I'm still rooting for Walt.
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