re: Big Brother Season 23 Thread - LIVE Premiere July 7th 8pm ET - CBS

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Hannah wants SB out as well because she knows she was pushing for Christian to put her on the block this week, and knows she was pushing to evict her over Whitney.

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Do we know who spilled the beans to hannah?

Edit--- probably Xavier or Tiff since they were both in on that conversation... SB was really pushing it...

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Do we know who spilled the beans to hannah?

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Tiffany did.

My husband was saying the same

The last few weeks have actually been really uninteresting as far as I’m concerned. No big moves.

I’m not even sure why Whitney is a target (other than she’s white) - she is literally a HORRIBLE competitor and her social game isn’t that great either. She poses no threat.

And then, I’m tired of hearing about the cookout alliance. Can you imagine if there was an alliance of all white people formed solely off their race? As in that was the main reason the alliance formed to begin with. It just rubs me the wrong way, especially when Derek F constantly acts like it’s a bother for him to even be cast on the show.

This is such a snowflake take.


Look, they didn’t all sit around saying frick while people I hate them, let’s ostracize them and get them all out so we can enjoy an all black house in peace.

It’s a game built on alliances, trust, and numbers. They immediately recognized a group of people they believed they could work with and felt they could trust, and that thought has proven accurate and extremely effective.

Just because the white people that are being targeted are too stupid to see what’s going on doesn’t make it some sinister plot by the cookout any more than it was sinister for L6 to deceive and eliminate Foutee, which we all agree is probably the best and most fun alliance in BB history.

This hasn’t been as fun, but that’s because there has been basically zero resistance by those outside of the alliance, whereas Foutee at least made L6 work for it.


I compared the Aces and Kings to Foutee weeks ago, and it has been proven an absolutely spot on comparison. They are all idiots and I haven’t been upset to see a single one go, other than Travis who really never got a shot to even start playing before Frenchie set all this in motion.


The cast is likable, but the game play has been pretty cut and dry from day 1, which is unfortunate.

I suppose it could pick up once the numbers dwindle but honestly probably not until Ky and Tiff decide it’s time to go after one another.

Until then this is more along the lines of Paul’s Posse when idiots like Matt Raven and Jason all went along with their huge numbers until one by one they realized they were the bottom and went out with barely a whimper.

Compared to previous black houseguests, the cookout are tame as frick when it comes to social stuff. Of course they have been riding and dying by their alliance.

That said, it isn't unbearable by any means like a certain few in here have complained about all summer. They don't rub it in your face. They don't do any of that. And on a personal level, Hannah, Tiffany, Xavier, and Kyland are good people. Azah is also a good person but is way too emotional for this game like many white people in previous seasons before. The only unlikable person in that alliance is Derek F and even he has been tame compared to the stereotypical gay like Tommy or Jason and so on.

Of course it would be nice to see a cookout member gone, at the same time it's like some think we are witnessing some Nazi level Hitler Youth propaganda when in fact CBS and the Houseguests have been way more tame and cool about being in that house than in previous years.

That said, their game play and the game play in every season since Season 16 with Derrick and Cody, season 20 being the exception, has been pretty lame. The big ole alliance at the beginning of the season just getting out the weakest member every week. It isn't great fun to watch that's for sure. It isn't a cookout problem. It is a big brother problem.

I'll end it by saying that Sarah Beth needs to give us at least one bikini shot before the end of the season. Please BBGod's..

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Compared to previous black houseguests, the cookout are tame as frick when it comes to social stuff. Of course they have been riding and dying by their alliance.

That said, it isn't unbearable by any means like a certain few in here have complained about all summer. They don't rub it in your face. They don't do any of that. And on a personal level, Hannah, Tiffany, Xavier, and Kyland are good people. Azah is also a good person but is way too emotional for this game like many white people in previous seasons before. The only unlikable person in that alliance is Derek F and even he has been tame compared to the stereotypical gay like Tommy or Jason and so on.



That said, their game play and the game play in every season since Season 16 with Derrick and Cody, season 20 being the exception, has been pretty lame. The big ole alliance at the beginning of the season just getting out the weakest member every week. It isn't great fun to watch that's for sure. It isn't a cookout problem. It is a big brother problem.

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Totally agree.


And I’ll add to that and say the main reason the cookout has flown under the radar is that they have all been so cool and built real relationships with the white houseguests.

Again, just because they are deceiving them about who their core alliance is the same way L6 did doesn’t make it some sinister plot.

IT’S A GAME AND THEY ARE DOMINATING IT.
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Tiffany and Claire have been attached at the hip since day 1, Ky is extremely close with SB and DX (this is the one that I could see some people having trouble with the Asian not being included in the POC alliance, but hey I don’t see any problem with choosing who they want in the group just like any other alliance should be able to) and they have both somehow convinced Christian and Alyssa they are safe as well, and Xavier is as close as can be with the other three Kings as well.


They’ve done a GREAT job of NOT making race an issue in the house, which is why their plan has been so effective.

Hell, DF and Azah basically ruined their position within the cookout because of their attachment to and defense of Frenchie and Britni.


It’s important to remember the cookout is only six people. It isn’t like there were 10 and they could just gang up on the non POC. They had to work to make sure their group survived (and had some good fortune in Frenchie setting the tone in their favor, although Ky WAS ON THE BLOCK). They were given no advantage yet they came up with a plan snd strategy to protect and advance themselves and I’m easily hoping for one of them to win because they’ve clearly played the best.



Again, this cast outside of Frenchie, Brent, DF, and Britni are all very likable. Some just aren’t good at the game, at least compared to the really good strategists like Tiff, Ky, Claire, and DX.

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They’ve done a GREAT job of NOT making race an issue in the house, which is why their plan has been so effective.

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Well, why would they? All these idiots are running to the slaughter house for them.

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Well, why would they? All these idiots are running to the slaughter house for them.

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Exactly, so why are these idiots melting about racism?


If anything you could argue that CBS tilted the scales in the way they chose the HGs, with really cool smart POC and an idiotic unlikeable white cast.


But you could say they did the same thing for players like Tyler Kaycee Angela and Brent by casting complete clowns like Swaggy Fessy Bayleigh and Rockstar.


But I can see why all of them were cast. You can never predict how individuals will react and adapt within the framework of the game and dynamics of the house.

That’s what makes it so interesting and fun.

Sometimes it’s great, sometimes it’s a bit of a dud. At least this cast is mostly likable as opposed to BB19 which was not only boring but filled with abhorrent people.