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re: Big Brother 21 - Season Long Thread - Premiere June 25th

Posted on 9/20/19 at 6:52 am to
Posted by Bronson2017
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 6:52 am to
Great job. All of those are very solid points. Jackson is a huge douche, don't get me wrong, but the dude has played this game damn near flawlessly competition wise. Any jury vote he doesn't get is due to stupidity or bitterness imo. Half of those people in the jury house did Jackson wrong, not the other way around.

Regardless though I don't think Jackson is winning this. Bitter jury will strike again, I have already prepared myself for it.

Btw how freakin funny was it to see Christie crying like a nut case in the jury? I DIDN'T FEEL YOUR ENERGY. She has to be on meds.
Posted by BayouCatFan
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 7:00 am to
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The above is for anyone who doesn't get why some of us say Jackson has poor jury management. For me the only way this season redeems itself is if Jackson loses in F2. His arrogance and smugness is unbearable and truth be told giving $500k to someone with so many addiction issues is a scary thought. EvelDick posted a gif of what Jackson would do with his winnings and it was a big pile of cocaine, which is probably very accurate.

After watching the jury house it is very clear production feeds them answers to build suspense until finale night, so its very hard to tell what will happen. Kat seemed very anti-Jackson which was about the only thing that seemed real. Considering this entire season has been a dud I am sure so will finale night meaning Jackson wins and I wont get to see Jackson's reaction to Nicole/Holly getting the money.
Posted by LetsgoGamecocks
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 7:33 am to
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When Bella left you would think they, Nick and Bella, were getting married. Bella is going to be passed finale night.


She already broke up with him via Twitter for snuggling Analice. I was kinda looking forward to him finding out but he doesn't care now.


Wow I had no idea. Pretty shaky if she dumps him for hanging with Analyze. Do you know her Twitter name? Good for him for hooking up with Kat then!
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 7:37 am to
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Jackson is a huge douche, don't get me wrong, but the dude has played this game damn near flawlessly competition wise


I was thinking the other day. Every year within 30 seconds of the cast entering the house you can identify the alpha bros in the house. The guys that are good looking, in shape, personable, basically just the all around badass that has probably been good at everything in their whole life. From the jump it was clear jack and jackson were those 2 guys and as such had an instant target on their back. Furthermore, Jackson came out of the gates white hot trying to be a leader billy badass and winning that first competition on night 1 then having to put people up. After that he fricked one girl before feeds even began, then entered a season-long showmance with a different girl.

Despite alllllll that, the guy is in final 2. It's crazy. He may not be my favorite player or anythign but you've gotta admit that with all the things you could EASILY hold against him and want to boot him early he's gonna be sitting right there at the end.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:22 am to
He used a nine/eight person alliance to make it through the chaos early on. The six turning on the three outsiders bought Jackson time to go under the radar.

By the time the six folded, they had made it into the jury portion and Jackson had the numbers (Cliff, Nicole) and won the HOHs (him and Holly) to survive. The last half of the season the only real competition to Jackson and Holly in any physical or endurance comp was Tommy.


This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 8:23 am
Posted by AHM21
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 8:37 am to
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Props to Julie for calling him on his bullshite. Even if Michie was always gonna keep Holly, Cliff gave him at least two legit reasons to explain why he voted Cliff out. You could say three reasons if you count Cliff threatening him with jury votes.



Julie did a good job of interviewing Cliff.


She was right, taking Tommy out because Nicole might take him to final three/two over Cliff was Cliff looking too far ahead and not doing what it takes to make it to final three.

Julie made it pretty obvious to Cliff that leaving a showmance in the house come final four was a huge mistake.
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 9:06 am
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:03 am to
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The guys that are good looking, in shape, personable, basically just the all around badass that has probably been good at everything in their whole life.



I’m actually not sure I agree with this about these two.


I think Jackson is awkward as shite and his affect makes me think he is a dude that was a fat kid growing up and was a late bloomer.


Jack is also weird and his over dramatic theatrics strike me as an emo kid that got into yoga and grew his hair out.


Their inability to handle success seems very “new money” to me. I don’t know, I just don’t think they seem cool at all, and their complete lack of self awareness in the house is because deep down I think they’re nerds in jock bodies.
Posted by HHS7
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:23 am to
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Julie made it pretty obvious to Cliff that leaving a showmance in the house come final four was a huge mistake.


Not only that, but Cliff believed that a firm handshake while looking in each other's eyes man to man is worth something. All that goes out the door once you step foot into that house day one.

And btw, Kat and Nick will not go beyond that jury house. Was so awkward to watch to me.
Posted by AHM21
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:24 am to
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I think Jackson is awkward as shite and his affect makes me think he is a dude that was a fat kid growing up and was a late bloomer.


This is true. I’m pretty sure his story is he lost a good bit of weight because he was bullied at a younger age.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 10:56 am to
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Wow I had no idea. Pretty shaky if she dumps him for hanging with Analyze. Do you know her Twitter name? Good for him for hooking up with Kat then!


Bellawang21

First article on Google re "breakup"
Posted by tk for tu juan
Houston
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 11:15 am to
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Not only that, but Cliff believed that a firm handshake while looking in each other's eyes man to man is worth something

With what Cliff is used to in Texas, that could be considered a verbal contract (maybe missing one component), which is enforceable. Of coarse that meant something to him, even-though they are in California and the BB contract probably handles that scenario.

But, a Texas judge would probably laugh at you for a handshake deal involving $500,000
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 11:30 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 11:18 am to
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I’m actually not sure I agree with this about these two.


I think Jackson is awkward as shite and his affect makes me think he is a dude that was a fat kid growing up and was a late bloomer.


Jack is also weird and his over dramatic theatrics strike me as an emo kid that got into yoga and grew his hair out.


I was strictly talking about first impressions, like within the first few minutes. You can usually pigeonhole most HGs pretty accurately within a few minutes, mainly due to CBS constantly picking the same kind of stereotypes. It was clear that those 2 were the "alpha dude bro"s of the house.

And I agree abotu Jack, that dude is a clown and really, really sucks but from the jump it was obviously he would be a physical threat and a dominant personality.

As for Jackson..who cares about his childhood? I'm talking about the BB house. Him being fat as a 10 year old has nothign to do with his persona in the house from a standpoint of being a dominant alpha personality from day 1.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 11:38 am to
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was strictly talking about first impressions, like within the first few minutes. You can usually pigeonhole most HGs pretty accurately within a few minutes, mainly due to CBS constantly picking the same kind of stereotypes. It was clear that those 2 were the "alpha dude bro"s of the house.



Ah ok gotcha. Yeah agreed with that obviously



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As for Jackson..who cares about his childhood? I'm talking about the BB house. Him being fat as a 10 year old has nothign to do with his persona in the house from a standpoint of being a dominant alpha personality from day 1.


From first impressions, agreed.

But I do think his past awkwardness has impacted his game moving forward.

I just think he doesn’t understand how to interact with others due to being a loner most of his life (isn’t he the one that said his mom is his best friend?) and it’s showed and will hurt him at F2.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 12:02 pm to
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As for Jackson..who cares about his childhood? I'm talking about the BB house. Him being fat as a 10 year old has nothign to do with his persona in the house from a standpoint of being a dominant alpha personality from day 1.


Him being a fat ten year old had a direct impact on have nots ending and him being given the pass due to his eating disorder. Part of the reason his mom threatened legal action against CBS is because they put him in the house when he had no business entering the game. That ties directly to the advantages gifted over the last month, IMO.

Also like Voodoo said, it directly impacts his social development and has an impact on how he interprets a situation or handles it.

I'll give it to you, he's the dominant "alpha male" this season, but he was crying on Holly's lap a week ago saying "I want my momma." It's just hard for me to view that as alpha male, no matter how he's played the game or how young/immature he might be. However I do see what you're saying, he was cast as the young, muscular dude.


This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 12:05 pm
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
30664 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:16 pm to
Haven't seen it discussed and I must've missed it last night but apparently Jessica Graf from BB19 is taking over for Dr. Will in conducting the jury round table.


It's a joke that they have a player that didn't even make it to jury doing this.
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 1:17 pm
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:21 pm to
She also had one of the worst HOH weeks in BB history
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:49 pm to
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After that he fricked one girl before feeds even began,


wait
what? I missed this. Who did he bang before feeds started?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:57 pm to
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wait
what? I missed this. Who did he bang before feeds started?


Kat
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89676 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:02 pm to
kat, on like day 2 or 3 before live feeds even cut on.

as an aside, I PERSONALLY (taste being subjective and all) is maybe the hottest cast member I've ever seen. Obvoiusly there's 1-3 real stunners every year but man she is a knockout. It helps that, unlike analyse, she also seems pretty cool and funny.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 2:29 pm to
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The above is for anyone who doesn't get why some of us say Jackson has poor jury management


And this proves to me that people will just find any reason to not like the guy. Reading the comments of the video people were saying how entitled he seemed with the money comment. That’s not at all how he meant that comment.

He came off to me very honest and emotional, and explained exactly why he felt like Cliff broke his heart. It’s very common that when people don’t like someone personally, they spin everything that person does and says into a negative. That’s clearly what’s happening here.

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Kat seemed very anti-Jackson which was about the only thing that seemed real


What? Kat’s behavior and comments in the jury house made the least sense out of everyone, especially after watching her extended exit interview. Using her as the only one who was real is crazy.

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EvelDick


You mean the old man who spent an entire season bullying and harassing a woman for no reason as bad as anything I’ve ever seen on reality tv, while a bunch of cowardly men sat by and said nothing?

The same guy who is the first person that it was blatantly obvious production was helping and protecting him? I’ll never understand how this jackass became some kind of cult hero.
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