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Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:34 am to Freauxzen
so i finally saw Guardians. I think it is easily the best Marvel movie made. After seeing the perfect balance of comedy, action, and story, I was a little sad about Supes v Bats. Synder can NEVER touch what Gunn did.
However, thats not the point of SvB. Just like Captain America, Thor, etc. will never have the same feel as Guardians. I do think DC can possibly capture that feel. Possibly with Shazam! or the rumored flash/GL pair up.
Another thing about Guardians, how are people still worried about DC's JLA after this movie? They introduced an entire team with a very complicated history and it worked just fine. Guardians is a very complicated story with every character having a very rich history. Yet it went off without a hitch. So theres hope.
However, thats not the point of SvB. Just like Captain America, Thor, etc. will never have the same feel as Guardians. I do think DC can possibly capture that feel. Possibly with Shazam! or the rumored flash/GL pair up.
Another thing about Guardians, how are people still worried about DC's JLA after this movie? They introduced an entire team with a very complicated history and it worked just fine. Guardians is a very complicated story with every character having a very rich history. Yet it went off without a hitch. So theres hope.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 12:46 pm to BlacknGold
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Another thing about Guardians, how are people still worried about DC's JLA after this movie? They introduced an entire team with a very complicated history and it worked just fine. Guardians is a very complicated story with every character having a very rich history. Yet it went off without a hitch. So theres hope.
Because Marvel essentially let one man REALLY THINK OUT GoG...a man with a true vision for the characters.
Snyder and WB have displayed the exact opposite approach. They did not think out the story or why TDKR makes NO sense coming directly on the heels of MoS.
This movie is essentially a desperation move so that Marvel doesn't destroy DC using Disney's big guns.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 12:51 pm to BlacknGold
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Another thing about Guardians, how are people still worried about DC's JLA after this movie? They introduced an entire team with a very complicated history and it worked just fine. Guardians is a very complicated story with every character having a very rich history. Yet it went off without a hitch. So theres hope.
Because you're characterizing this criticism incorrectly. It isn't just about "a team movie with no origin," that was never what was being said, at least for me.
Wait do you mean the future JLA movie or BvS as a pseudo-JLA movie?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 1:08 pm to Freauxzen
The future JLA movie. The SVB movie will focus on the main two with just cameos I suspect. They will have a story focused on the main two.
And comparing this to TDKR is wrong to do. They let Nolan do anything he wanted because of the success of TDK. This has absolutely nothing to do with that trilogy.
And comparing this to TDKR is wrong to do. They let Nolan do anything he wanted because of the success of TDK. This has absolutely nothing to do with that trilogy.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 1:12 pm to theunknownknight
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They did not think out the story or why TDKR makes NO sense coming directly on the heels of MoS.
I really think that the only amount of thought they put into it is that they know that's the most popular Batman comic of all time and that Batman fights Superman in it, and that's really it. Someone who really knows about comics or even general plot structure should have told Snyder, Goyer, and the other producers and executives that this makes no fricking sense and that TDKR should not be be brought up at all until the final film.
Seriously, they've taken it a step further and are going to make Batman an entire generation older than Superman. It's not as if it's be difficult to make it believable that Ben Affleck is in his early to mid 30s. I've always gotten the impression that Batman is indeed a bit older than Superman by like 4 or 5 years, but fricking 20? Are you really trying to copy that comic book so much that you're making Batman that damn old? How is this going to mesh well with the other members of the Justice League when he's 20 years older than the rest of them and well out of his fighting prime? Is he going to be the Nick Fury of the team or something? That's the best I can come up with.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 1:15 pm to BlacknGold
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And comparing this to TDKR is wrong to do. They let Nolan do anything he wanted because of the success of TDK. This has absolutely nothing to do with that trilogy.
We're talking about "The Dark Knight Returns", not Rises. Nolan tried to emulate some of it, and had mixed success with it, but with Rises it makes a lot of sense because it was the end of Bruce Wayne as Batman and he wanted his legacy to live on. But starting out Batman with this iteration of the character is really just mind numbingly stupid.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 1:53 pm to OMLandshark
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But starting out Batman with this iteration of the character is really just mind numbingly stupid.
are we still on this? have we really not gotten past this? ok. imagine yourself as Superman, as that character. Why in the hell would you listen to some human, who is around the same age as you, with little experience with "evil?" There would be no reason. And you wouldnt.
Now, Batman as an older, wiser figure actually gives reasons for Superman to step back and realize heres a guy without super human abilities and yet has tons of experience doing the things Superman hopes to accomplish. maybe he would then listen to this figure.
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:08 pm to BlacknGold
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are we still on this? have we really not gotten past this? ok. imagine yourself as Superman, as that character. Why in the hell would you listen to some human, who is around the same age as you, with little experience with "evil?" There would be no reason. And you wouldnt.
Now, Batman as an older, wiser figure actually gives reasons for Superman to step back and realize heres a guy without super human abilities and yet has tons of experience doing the things Superman hopes to accomplish. maybe he would then listen to this figure.
The problem is you should never start off with this version of Batman unless it's a straight up adaptation of the original material, and that's clearly not the case here. You can only float on TDKR version of the character for one film, and there's really no other place to develop him.
Also I'd much rather them be actual friends than have a student and teacher relationship. That has never been their relationship as far as I know.
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:20 pm to BlacknGold
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Now, Batman as an older, wiser figure actually gives reasons for Superman to step back and realize heres a guy without super human abilities and yet has tons of experience doing the things Superman hopes to accomplish. maybe he would then listen to this figure.
Would have been nice if this wouldn't have been a huge retcon of MoS. Nowhere in MoS is Batman, his exploits, or even other past supervillains even referenced.
MoS was supposed to be the true FIRST story of the JLA franchise. But, in their desperation, they are following it up with the LAST story. It makes no sense.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:23 pm to OMLandshark
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You can only float on TDKR version of the character for one film, and there's really no other place to develop him.
hes not as old as he is in the comic. hes just older than Superman. In the set pictures, hes not this old, fat guy that he is in TDKR. also, that source material is the future of ALL characters, which isnt the case in this movie. Batman is the only "older" one. theres a ton of development, including him building the league and those relationships. this isnt a direct adaptation, which i think is throwing you off.
eta: with all the presumptions and hate, does this movie even have a shot at pleasing people? i feel like no matter what, some will hate it no matter what.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:26 pm to theunknownknight
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Would have been nice if this wouldn't have been a huge retcon of MoS. Nowhere in MoS is Batman, his exploits, or even other past supervillains even referenced.
yeah, i agree. im interested to see how this is played out.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:40 pm to theunknownknight
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Nowhere in MoS is Batman, his exploits, or even other past supervillains even referenced.
This is nitpicky, imo. The them to MoS was the fact that aliens were new to the public eye. In that sense, bringing up Batman in relation to Superman would be out of place. Whether Batman existed or not in that universe, Superman is still new.
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But, in their desperation, they are following it up with the LAST story. It makes no sense.
This is impossible to determine unless you have seen the script.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:45 pm to BlacknGold
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hes not as old as he is in the comic.
I've heard he's 50, and he's 55 in TDKR, so it doesn't seem to be a big enough difference to really matter.
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eta: with all the presumptions and hate, does this movie even have a shot at pleasing people? i feel like no matter what, some will hate it no matter what.
I just don't see why I should give them a chance. I didn't like Man of Steel and think they fricked it up. All they did was make it the exact opposite of Superman Returns and give into every fan's demand, and the movie was worse off as a whole. Now of course fans want to see Batman and Superman fight and the fans love TDKR, so it really seems as if they're just going to give them that, despite the fact that it makes no sense. I haven't heard anything about this movie that has given me positive feelings about it, and I think I know exactly what is going to happen at the end of this.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:48 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:54 pm to OMLandshark
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he's 55 in TDKR
im not sure how to phrase this correctly but those are just numbers. in the comic, he comes across as very old and decrepit. he can barely walk right. so if they want to call that "55" then sure. but he was written as much older. in the movie, hes in great shape and very capable still. very different.
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I didn't like Man of Steel and think they fricked it up. All they did was make it the exact opposite of Superman Returns and give into every fan's demand
ah. i really liked MoS. then yeah, these movies probably wont be for you. and giving the fans what they want is suddenly a bad thing? theres literally no winning with some audiences. people bitch about changing the source material, then turn around and bitch about giving fans what they want. just stick to Marvel's mediocre sequels.
and if you hate the fans getting what they want, you should love the new fantastic four.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 6:48 pm to BlacknGold
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and giving the fans what they want is suddenly a bad thing?
Yeah, it certainly can be, because fanbases as a whole have very little creativity and always want immediate satisfaction rather than something that is drawn out and leaves the audience hanging. Yes, Man of Steel have Superman people to fight and a ridiculous amount of destruction, but it completely and entirely ignores the ramifications of what is happening. I seriously doubt that Lois Lane would feel like hooking up in the middle of a crater where it's likely that friends and loved ones corpses are probably all around them, and no one would be going to a baseball game anytime soon after that mess.
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just stick to Marvel's mediocre sequels.
If you mean anything like the new Captain America or X-Men film, than I will gladly.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 6:57 pm to OMLandshark
so i they didwhat you want them to do, wouldn't they still be just,doing what the fans want and thus yourcriticism is still the same no matter wha they do?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:00 pm to wildtigercat93
He must not be a fan. 
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:06 pm to abellsujr
well that makes even less sense
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