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Alan Moore, creator of The Watchmen, tells manchildren to take their medicine
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:05 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:05 am
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you don't like the way it tastes, but it's good for you.
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According to Alan Moore - creator of the Watchmen series and widely considered one of the greatest comic book writers - it is.
He says superheroes are perfectly fine for 12 or 13-year-olds but adults should think again.
"I think the impact of superheroes on popular culture is both tremendously embarrassing and not a little worrying," he says.
you don't like the way it tastes, but it's good for you.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:06 am to HT713
What's the difference between superhero worship and worship of celebrities, politicians, or athletes? That's not worrisome?
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:08 am to tiggerthetooth
all of those things are equally gay and should be mocked mercilessly, imho
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:10 am to HT713
Alan Moore doesn’t like anything
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:13 am to wildtigercat93
he really doesn't - he always comes across as a miserable frick - but i do love his writing
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:14 am to tiggerthetooth
I'm not a big fan of superhero movies these days and the gluttony that adults consume them - but adults did consume Superman and Batman (1989) - yet those were rare movies.
But an obsession with Superhero movies as a grown man is no different than that grown man wearing an Alabama jersey of a school he never attended and going to every Alabama game and yelling at the players on the field...and saying "we won" like he's on the team and crying if the team loses. That's even more weird.
But an obsession with Superhero movies as a grown man is no different than that grown man wearing an Alabama jersey of a school he never attended and going to every Alabama game and yelling at the players on the field...and saying "we won" like he's on the team and crying if the team loses. That's even more weird.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:15 am to tiggerthetooth
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What's the difference between superhero worship and worship of celebrities, politicians, or athletes? That's not worrisome?
my kids will watch a few youtube gamers and i asked them recently why they do that when they can just play the games themselves.
my 12 yo said, dad, you watch football and that's something you can go play yourself. i had nothing.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:20 am to HT713
Why did you leave this part out?
Slanted way to present this aside, he's both right....and wrong. And he makes the same mistake as Scorcese does. He's putting a significant amount of weight on one thing in culture that is part of a much larger whole.
See this is correct:
As is this
But two problems exist:
1. You can be a well adjusted individual who likes comic books or sports
2. Super heroes are part of a much larger problem
How is the guy in the Captain America shirt any different from the guy in the oversized Drew Brees jersey? There is no difference. Drew is a product, as much as we'd hate to believe it, and is built as something to consume.
Any kind of overly overt fandom, mixed with any kind of emotion or allowing the thing you are a fan of control your life IS the problem. And that extends FAR beyond super heroes. Hell, even politics, as real as they are, have become a fan enterprise. Most of culture has started to define themselves by the things they like/believe or the things they DON'T life/believe rather than by who they are. Again, that's a much bigger problem. And a much bigger discussion.
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He claims the lack of diversity in the comic book world suggests books and iconic characters are "still very much white supremacist dreams of the master race".
Slanted way to present this aside, he's both right....and wrong. And he makes the same mistake as Scorcese does. He's putting a significant amount of weight on one thing in culture that is part of a much larger whole.
See this is correct:
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The writer claims adults enjoy superhero films because they don't wish to leave their "relatively reassuring childhoods" behind, or move into the 21st century.
As is this
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He adds the popularity of the genre among adults suggests a "kind of deliberate, self-imposed state of emotional arrest".
But two problems exist:
1. You can be a well adjusted individual who likes comic books or sports
2. Super heroes are part of a much larger problem
How is the guy in the Captain America shirt any different from the guy in the oversized Drew Brees jersey? There is no difference. Drew is a product, as much as we'd hate to believe it, and is built as something to consume.
Any kind of overly overt fandom, mixed with any kind of emotion or allowing the thing you are a fan of control your life IS the problem. And that extends FAR beyond super heroes. Hell, even politics, as real as they are, have become a fan enterprise. Most of culture has started to define themselves by the things they like/believe or the things they DON'T life/believe rather than by who they are. Again, that's a much bigger problem. And a much bigger discussion.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 11:22 am
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:22 am to 3nOut
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my kids will watch a few youtube gamers and i asked them recently why they do that when they can just play the games themselves.
my 12 yo said, dad, you watch football and that's something you can go play yourself. i had nothing.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:23 am to HT713
quote:I want to preface this by stating I know very little about the superhero genre. I can probably count on 1 hand with a couple left over how many of the superhero movies I've seen in the last 10 years.
He says superheroes are perfectly fine for 12 or 13-year-olds but adults should think again.
That being said, I am watching Watchmen and like it so far, but is there really that big of a difference from Watchmen and the Superhero stuff?
Watchmen is essentially about wanna be superheroes, no? They dress the part. They don't have powers, but can do some shite that seems kinda superhuman ish.
I just didn't see it as this complete opposite thing from a superhero, but again, I legit knew absolutely nothing about Watchmen when i started this series, so take all of that with a grain of salt.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:26 am to Freauxzen
yeah I think the difference is, sports or video games aren't so astronomically dominating that they've made it so that there's nothing else on TV
super hero movies and other long-running franchise shite (fast and furious, transformers, marvel, etc) dominate the film industry to such a degree that the only way people can get a decent original concept standalone film is from companies like A24 who take a loss every year. even though they make objectively incredible cinema
super hero movies and other long-running franchise shite (fast and furious, transformers, marvel, etc) dominate the film industry to such a degree that the only way people can get a decent original concept standalone film is from companies like A24 who take a loss every year. even though they make objectively incredible cinema
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:28 am to tiggerthetooth
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What's the difference between superhero worship and worship of celebrities, politicians, or athletes?
Celebrities and athletes worship is rampant in our culture. You can watch them as they are but worshiping them is giving them power over you.
Sonny from a Bronx Tale: Mickey Mantle don't care about you, so why should you care about him?
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:35 am to HT713
Take Moore with a grain of salt. He's talented but grouchy and has had more than a few bitter battles about creator rights and proper payments on legacy media (meaning the guys before him).
He also had to write a Fish Rape story to pay his taxes that time.
But people flocking to Rorshrach as a hero has always been a bit baffling to him. So I'm pretty sure 7th Cavalry fits his view as what leads to.
He also had to write a Fish Rape story to pay his taxes that time.
But people flocking to Rorshrach as a hero has always been a bit baffling to him. So I'm pretty sure 7th Cavalry fits his view as what leads to.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:36 am to HT713
Ummm...why do people want to shite on other people for wanting a mindless escape from the bullshite of the world?
Being alive is depressing. Sure, you can temporarily have fun here and there, but then remember that one day it will end and you will no longer exist. Poof. You're gone.
Let people enjoy life while they're here, so long as it doesn't affect your ability to live an equally fulfilling existence.
Being alive is depressing. Sure, you can temporarily have fun here and there, but then remember that one day it will end and you will no longer exist. Poof. You're gone.
Let people enjoy life while they're here, so long as it doesn't affect your ability to live an equally fulfilling existence.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:39 am to HT713
All I'm interested in is a good story. I dont think the frickers are real.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:43 am to Wanderin Reb
I actually vehemently agree with this take
just get annoyed that
A: people frequently mistake marvelshit for art or give it any serious bit of meaning
B: it's creating a market for films in which original content and self-reflection are so unpopular they aren't even financially viable.
just get annoyed that
A: people frequently mistake marvelshit for art or give it any serious bit of meaning
B: it's creating a market for films in which original content and self-reflection are so unpopular they aren't even financially viable.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:46 am to shel311
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I am watching Watchmen and like it so far, but is there really that big of a difference from Watchmen and the Superhero stuff?
Moore was big on deconstructing (while disrespecting) superheroes in an extremely entertaining manner that sometimes left the reader with a lingering, bad aftertaste.
With Watchmen he wanted to take apart existing characters from one of the comic companies (first Archie's Mighty Crusaders then the Charlton heroes). When he couldn't get them he made up his own characters (which, I think, is why it's a complete classic).
He took down the Justice League with their avatars in his Top 10 series, he massacred the Silver Age Superman family in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, and he wanted to brutalize the entire DC Universe with his Twilight of the Superheroes (which DC wouldn't greenlight). But the thing is, he does it in such a clever, visceral, and entertaining manner that even the biggest superhero fans love the hell out of it.
Then he can turn around and do a love letter to the pulp superheroes with Tom Strong.
He's basically a creative genius with a love/hate relationship with superheroes.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:46 am to HT713
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yeah I think the difference is, sports or video games aren't so astronomically dominating that they've made it so that there's nothing else on TV
Uhhh...the NFL made $16 billion in revenue last year by itself.
The Film Industry made $43b and superhero films look to be about $5-8 of that. Far less than the NFL.
Video Games made $43b in revenue.
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super hero movies and other long-running franchise shite (fast and furious, transformers, marvel, etc) dominate the film industry to such a degree that the only way people can get a decent original concept standalone film is from companies like A24 who take a loss every year. even though they make objectively incredible cinema
Maybe. But every industry has its share of inequalities. Did you REALY think the Browns or Bengals would challenge for the Super Bowl this year? No. Based on recent history, it's pretty clear the 5-6 teams that have a shot. Sure, anything can happen, but nearly any industry will have dominant players that more or less control the overall pathways to success.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:54 am to HT713
If he didn't want adults reading his super hero stories, why did he make sure there was a blue penis every few pages? He wrote that for children?
Posted on 11/19/19 at 11:54 am to HT713
Like all art, it's subjective for most but some really is.
Watchmen
All-Star Superman
Spider-Man Reign
Are all modern examples of comics at their peak. Good stories on purpose and sacrifice.
Moore's complaint comes back to Shatner's and even Stewart's (at first, until the rest the cast got him to lighten up) feelings about fandoms. Some core fans do not grow up or get down from certain levels of their passion for media. And it's wearing, I get that.
Watchmen
All-Star Superman
Spider-Man Reign
Are all modern examples of comics at their peak. Good stories on purpose and sacrifice.
Moore's complaint comes back to Shatner's and even Stewart's (at first, until the rest the cast got him to lighten up) feelings about fandoms. Some core fans do not grow up or get down from certain levels of their passion for media. And it's wearing, I get that.
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