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re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D - The Framework

Posted on 5/11/17 at 6:42 pm to
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 6:42 pm to
I think the best part of this season came when Ophelia snapped when Fitz eluded he was going back to Simmons. She went bat shite crazy
This post was edited on 5/11/17 at 6:43 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 7:24 pm to
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I doubt Fitz killed her. Aida probably did to take her place in his life.


She loves him and is crazy. If she's a decent villain, she got him to kill her.
Posted by LoneMDG
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 11:53 pm to
Agents of Shield renewed for Season 5. Sounds like a full renewal.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 8:57 am to
Could Super-Aida tie into the Inhumans movie? I'm really interested in how they're going to handle the introduction of the Royal Family. Where have they been during the whole AOS timeline?
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 8:58 am to
quote:

She loves him and is crazy. If she's a decent villain, she got him to kill her.


She wasn't crazy at that point. Framework Aida was cold and calculating as an android would be. Living Aida is a fricking nutjob. Whereas normal people grow into emotions, she's getting them all at one time.
Posted by lagallifrey
Member since Dec 2013
2010 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:23 am to
quote:

Could Super-Aida tie into the Inhumans movie?


No. But the inhuman show, possibly. I think ghost rider will take care of her though.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25628 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:24 am to
correct, she was cold and calculating as an android, which is why she got Fitz to kill Simmons. Fitz wouldn't have even known who she was when he would have killed her.
Framework Aida wanted out of the framework and to be a real human, and as she said, she learned as an android what Fitz and Jemma had and wanted that for her human self.
If she kills Jemma, Fitz would never be with Aida. If Fitz killed her, that's quite the problem.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80283 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 11:50 am to
Well, Attilan is either in the Himalayas or on the Moon...
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22380 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

correct, she was cold and calculating as an android, which is why she got Fitz to kill Simmons. Fitz wouldn't have even known who she was when he would have killed her.
Framework Aida wanted out of the framework and to be a real human, and as she said, she learned as an android what Fitz and Jemma had and wanted that for her human self.
If she kills Jemma, Fitz would never be with Aida. If Fitz killed her, that's quite the problem.


Apparently Fitz and Aida/Olphelia met the first day at the Shield Academy in Framework (same time Fitz met Simmons in real world). What is not clear is when was Simmons shot? 2 theories

1. Simmons was shot just before Aida met Fitz in order for Aida to meet Fitz on day 1 instead of Simmons.

2. Simmons was shot sometime after resisting Hydra.

Scenario 1 seems much more logical since Fitz seemed to not recognize Simmons in the Framework.
Posted by Darkknight
Member since Mar 2012
1415 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:01 pm to
I thought Simmons was killed during the massacre at the academy. That's when real world Simmons entered the Framework, she was in a mass grave.

Fitz didn't recognize her because she was just a random person at the academy.

Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22380 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:18 pm to
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I thought Simmons was killed during the massacre at the academy. That's when real world Simmons entered the Framework, she was in a mass grave.

Fitz didn't recognize her because she was just a random person at the academy.



But Aida also had to prevent Fitz/Simmons from meeting at the academy. IMO it was implied that Aida/Ophelia met Fitz at the exact time Fitz would've met Simmons at the academy. Something had to be done to insert Aida in place of Simmons.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25628 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:21 pm to
found this nugget, so yeah i guess Fitz didn't kill her.

quote:

Fitz discovers that Simmons was executed at the academy and asks Madame Hydra about it. Ophelia tells him that Simmons crossed over from the other side, which they believed was impossible.


If he had to ask, then i would assume he knew nothing about it. Jemma's official death was from toxic contamination at the academy, but Fitz learned that isnt' what really happen.
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3497 posts
Posted on 5/16/17 at 10:12 pm to
Great season. Really enjoyed the three arc format. Obvious question now is what's up with coulson?
Posted by LoneMDG
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
2747 posts
Posted on 5/16/17 at 10:24 pm to
We in S.W.O.R.D. now



Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80283 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:29 am to
I can just see the three arcs now:

Arc 1 - Agents of S.W.O.R.D.

Arc 2 - Agents of Nova

Arc 3 - Road to Infinity
Posted by LoneMDG
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
2747 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:02 am to
The way the man FX guy on SHIELD says, sounds like "SWORD" belongs to Fox, as it's 1st appearance was in an XMen comic (one written by Joss Whedon, of all people)

quote:

Mark Kolpack? @MarkKolpack
Nope. Writes belong to Fox. S.W.O.R.D. was first introduced in Astonishing X-Men vol. 3 # 6

"Rights" instead of "writes"

Which also makes me wonder what else they'll change to the Captain Marvel character, whenever they finally get to that movie.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80283 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 7:21 am to
Didn't Ego belong to Fox as well?
Posted by Darkknight
Member since Mar 2012
1415 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 7:56 am to
I don't think so. Ego first appeared in Thor and has been in a few issues of Thor since.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
15190 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:40 am to
quote:

No. But the inhuman show, possibly


Yeah, I totally missed that they were doing a show vs. a movie.
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14421 posts
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:03 am to
quote:

Didn't Ego belong to Fox as well?


The bigger question coming out of GOTG2 was how does Marvel get to use the Watcher. That's a firm FF character. At least for many years early on he was.

I enjoyed the finale last night. Left the crew united but screwed up. It sucked that Ward didn't come back though. One of the best characters the show has and even with an easy way to write him back in, they didn't go for it.
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