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Posted on 1/2/22 at 6:28 pm to TX Tiger
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9 out of 10 times the media vote is a mere formality.
And 10/10 times a playoff results in an undisputed, definitive champion.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 6:37 pm to RD Dawg
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It obviously depends on their schedule and if being unbeaten is a standard then say hello to playing as many cupcakes as You can schedule.
Which is why they shouldn’t be allowed to schedule FCS schools.
However, in the event a team with a weak schedule that isn’t as good as their record indicates makes the playoff, they would likely get exposed and lose in the first round. There’s nothing wrong with that. Most CFB games are blowouts already. This just gives those teams a chance to prove that maybe they’re not pretenders afterall.
There have been a lot of undefeated G5 and P5 teams that kicked arse in BCS bowl games but weren’t allowed to play for a title. Maybe one of those teams could have won it all. We didn’t get to find out. Under a system of my design, we would get to know. That’s a lot more fun than speculation and posturing.
You’re propping up major flaws of the game that are killing it and blaming the cure for the symptoms of the disease you yourself champion. It’s shameful, and you should be ashamed.
This post was edited on 1/2/22 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 6:38 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Yes, a champion of that tournament. Not necessarily the champion of that season. This has already been discussed in this thread.
9 out of 10 times the media vote is a mere formality.
And 10/10 times a playoff results in an undisputed, definitive champion.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 6:43 pm to TX Tiger
The only reason people try to differentiate the two is because both the BCS and the current playoff were complete jokes.
Also, in no other sport, does the “regular season championship” matter for anything beyond seeding the post-season. That’s for good reason. Deciding a champion without the best teams playing each other makes zero sense. It’s nothing but a popularity contest. THAT is what college football fans hate the most about college football (you know, other than those cupcake games against FCS teams).
Also, in no other sport, does the “regular season championship” matter for anything beyond seeding the post-season. That’s for good reason. Deciding a champion without the best teams playing each other makes zero sense. It’s nothing but a popularity contest. THAT is what college football fans hate the most about college football (you know, other than those cupcake games against FCS teams).
Posted on 1/2/22 at 6:44 pm to TX Tiger
Your next post is you arguing about how the current system is bad.
How are you not arguing for the old BCS system?
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No, you don't. You want a playoff and it doesn't matter to you what that entails. Alabama and Georgia have already played. But that doesn't matter to you because it's the playoffs and that's all the counts. Not the regular season, not head-to-head.
How are you not arguing for the old BCS system?
Posted on 1/2/22 at 6:59 pm to kingbob
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Which is why they shouldn’t be allowed to schedule FCS schools
Sure
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There have been a lot of undefeated G5 and P5 teams that kicked arse in BCS bowl games but weren’t allowed to play for a title
G5 teams? Like who?BTW, what's
BCS bowl? Do you mean NY6 bowls?
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You’re propping up major flaws of the game that are killing it and blaming the cure for the symptoms of the disease you yourself champion.
No idea what this incoherent babbling means.
quote:
It’s shameful, and you should be ashamed.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:00 pm to SammyTiger
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How are you not arguing for the old BCS system?
He doesn’t even want BCS. He’s arguing for the old AP Poll era of championships.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:00 pm to kingbob
quote:Yes, I'm sure we all wish that 15-0 Mary Hardin-Baylor had its shot at Alabama, amirite?
There have been a lot of undefeated G5 and P5 teams that kicked arse in BCS bowl games but weren’t allowed to play for a title. Maybe one of those teams could have won it all. We didn’t get to find out. Under a system of my design, we would get to know. That’s a lot more fun than speculation and posturing.
quote:I champion the things that made college football the best sport on earth. You want to take what wasn't broken and fix it.
You’re propping up major flaws of the game that are killing it and blaming the cure for the symptoms of the disease you yourself champion.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:05 pm to TX Tiger
Why do you keep bringing up a division III school, that has to play in full playoffs which reward regular seasons by playoff births and seeding?
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:11 pm to kingbob
quote:What if the best teams have already played each other?
Deciding a champion without the best teams playing each other makes zero sense.
quote:So Alabama was ranked above Cincinnati because of a popularity contest. alrighty then.
It’s nothing but a popularity contest. THAT is what college football fans hate the most about college football
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:12 pm to TX Tiger
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BYU beat No. 3, was the only undefeated team and won its bowl game.
No they didn't.
Pittsburgh finished 3-7-1.Are you really using a pre season ranking to claim they beat the
#3 team?
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:12 pm to TX Tiger
How about undefeated Auburn?
How about Utah when they embarrassed Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?
How about 2017 UCF?
1996 Tulane?
Boise St when they beat Oklahoma?
What about that year when the Big 12 had a split title and one-loss TCU got left out?
How about Utah when they embarrassed Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?
How about 2017 UCF?
1996 Tulane?
Boise St when they beat Oklahoma?
What about that year when the Big 12 had a split title and one-loss TCU got left out?
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:12 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Because you seem to think they're on equal terms.
Why do you keep bringing up a division III school, that has to play in full playoffs which reward regular seasons by playoff births and seeding?
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:14 pm to TX Tiger
You’re being willfully obtuse. People are arguing for FBS teams to have a real playoff, something that even Division 3 schools get to benefit from.
I think a 13-0 Mountain West Champion like, for hypothetical’s sake, San Diego St SHOULD get similar treatment to a 12-1 SEC Champion, and BETTER treatment than an 11-1 SEC team that didn’t win their division.
I would also argue that they should at least get similar treatment to a 12-1 team that lost their conference title game to another playoff participant.
You want to use your biases and eye-tests to determine a champion. I want a clear and unbiased path to a championship based on wins and losses. I’m okay with eye tests influencing seeding or maybe the last couple teams in, but I want most of the spots to be secured purely based on what the team accomplished on the field. Did they beat the opponents on their schedule? Did they win their conference? Those factors mean more to me than eye-tests and polls.
I think a 13-0 Mountain West Champion like, for hypothetical’s sake, San Diego St SHOULD get similar treatment to a 12-1 SEC Champion, and BETTER treatment than an 11-1 SEC team that didn’t win their division.
I would also argue that they should at least get similar treatment to a 12-1 team that lost their conference title game to another playoff participant.
You want to use your biases and eye-tests to determine a champion. I want a clear and unbiased path to a championship based on wins and losses. I’m okay with eye tests influencing seeding or maybe the last couple teams in, but I want most of the spots to be secured purely based on what the team accomplished on the field. Did they beat the opponents on their schedule? Did they win their conference? Those factors mean more to me than eye-tests and polls.
This post was edited on 1/2/22 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:22 pm to kingbob
quote:Already been discussed.
How about undefeated Auburn?
How about Utah when they embarrassed Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?
How about 2017 UCF?
quote:So the method of choosing the teams for a playoff is worse than the method for choosing a national champion.
What about that year when the Big 12 had a split title and one-loss TCU got left out?
I agree.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:29 pm to TX Tiger
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I champion the things that made college football the best sport on earth. You want to take what wasn't broken and fix it.
You don't think not knowing who the best team is made college football great? Rivalry games, pageantry, and regionalism made college football great. College football grew and thrived IN SPITE OF it's method to crown a champion, not BECAUSE of it.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:31 pm to TX Tiger
Option 1: No national championship game. Polls decide who is the best.
Option 2: Polls decide which two teams play for a national championship.
Option 3: A small committee decides which 4 teams play for a national championship.
Don't you see that ALL of those options suck? They're all based on biased humans making business decisions rather than any objective metrics.
Having a season and then not knowing who the champion is or even knowing who should be permitted to play for said championship is f&%king stupid. If "muh traditions" is your only argument supporting it, then you have no legs to stand on. Not all traditions are good. Some deserve to die.
Option 2: Polls decide which two teams play for a national championship.
Option 3: A small committee decides which 4 teams play for a national championship.
Don't you see that ALL of those options suck? They're all based on biased humans making business decisions rather than any objective metrics.
Having a season and then not knowing who the champion is or even knowing who should be permitted to play for said championship is f&%king stupid. If "muh traditions" is your only argument supporting it, then you have no legs to stand on. Not all traditions are good. Some deserve to die.
This post was edited on 1/2/22 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:35 pm to kingbob
quote:You sound like those that insist that Les Miles is a better coach than Nick Saban because he won more games at LSU.
I think a 13-0 Mountain West Champion like, for hypothetical’s sake, San Diego St SHOULD get similar treatment to a 12-1 SEC Champion, and BETTER treatment than an 11-1 SEC team that didn’t win their division.
quote:Wrong. I want to use a 140-team, 13-game season-long playoff to determine a champion of that season; a system that made college football the greatest sport on earth.
You want to use your biases and eye-tests to determine a champion.
quote:Yes, Alabama has already beaten Georgia. But that doesn't matter to you. And with expanded playoffs, rematches will be even more prevalent.
Did they beat the opponents on their schedule?
quote:I can't decide whether you are completely confused or simply a hypocrite.
Those factors mean more to me than eye-tests and polls.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:40 pm to kingbob
quote:Yes.
Option 1: No national championship game. Polls decide who is the best.
Option 2: Polls decide which two teams play for a national championship.
Option 3: A small committee decides which 4 teams play for a national championship.
Don't you see that ALL of those options suck?
quote:It hasn't had anything to do with my argument, but you're terrible at strawman building.
If "muh traditions" is your only argument
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