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re: WSOP 2019
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:05 pm to Pocket Kingz
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:05 pm to Pocket Kingz
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Pocket Kingz
GTO maximizes value assuming the opponent is also playing GTO.
As the opponent deviates from GTO playing to exploit the opponents weakness becomes more profitable. The obvious risk is that you open yourself up to be exploited by other players by changing gears to exploit the weaker players at the table
The top level players on the high roller circuit are not as good as some more veteran players at making these adjustments in tournaments like the WSOP ME
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:07 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Just hope Mike is clean I know he owed Negraneu a good chunk of money and never paid him back
Negreanu was on Mike's podcast for like a 2 hour interview right before the series. They're good now.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:07 pm to Pocket Kingz
Another raise to 65000. Geez. Someone do it just a lil different
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:31 pm to lsufan112001
I haven't been able to watch this year, did last year's champ play in the ME?
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:36 pm to rolltide32
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GTO maximizes value assuming the opponent is also playing GTO.
As the opponent deviates from GTO playing to exploit the opponents weakness becomes more profitable. The obvious risk is that you open yourself up to be exploited by other players by changing gears to exploit the weaker players at the table
The top level players on the high roller circuit are not as good as some more veteran players at making these adjustments in tournaments like the WSOP ME
You're actually making the argument that the players who are the most succesful at playing against the best players are bad at adjustments? We will have to agree to disagree.
GTO is most effective (and absolutely necessary) when playing mid and high stakes cash games and mtts. Do some people misapply concepts? Yes. That doesn't translate to what you are saying, not even close.
Someone who learns GTO concepts can always choose not to use them and go more Exploit heavy. Other way around not so much.
And for the record, I dont base much on live High stakes MTT results for a myriad of reasons. Small player pool, equity swaps, etc.... Im actually not a fan of a player having a piece of 6 guys in a 45 player tourny.
YOud really rather have Alex Foxen or Jake Schindler on your left than Matusow? Come on bro.
This post was edited on 7/10/19 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:40 pm to Double Oh
Very poor play by Seymour there. What are the odds the opponent was slow playing a flush? Very low.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:46 pm to rolltide32
quote:
GTO maximizes value assuming the opponent is also playing GTO.
As the opponent deviates from GTO playing to exploit the opponents weakness becomes more profitable. The obvious risk is that you open yourself up to be exploited by other players by changing gears to exploit the weaker players at the table
wut? GTO is unexploitable (if you can actually play GTO which no human can, esp live). GTO is defensive poker
the problem is you leave a lot of potential EV on the table by removing exploitation from your game
Posted on 7/10/19 at 8:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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wut? GTO is unexploitable (if you can actually play GTO which no human can, esp live). GTO is defensive poker
the problem is you leave a lot of potential EV on the table by removing exploitation from your game
To be fair we are entering a clusterfrick of semantics. This is the statement that I took umbrage with:
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The top level players on the high roller circuit are not as good as some more veteran players at making these adjustments in tournaments like the WSOP ME
This feels like Hellmuth fanboying 100%. Which is funny since out of that old guard of exploitative players, Negreanu has had the most recent success because he added GTO and modern theory into his game.
Hell, in Negreanu's "masterclass" his coaches basically are disciples of Doug Polk's online system.
This post was edited on 7/10/19 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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GTO is unexploitable (if you can actually play GTO which no human can, esp live)
He is correct on this point: GTO assumes everyone is playing GTO in theory. This is obviously a waste at low stakes cash games and alot of mtts.
There was also a fad a few years back where young guys who didnt really grasp the concepts were going crazy with 3-betting and with c-betting. I absolutely did this. Its easy to just think of those type players when imagining the younger school of players.
Anyone who is good enough to play stakes and levels that require GTO, succesfully, is good enough to factor in their opponents tendencies.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:18 pm to Pocket Kingz
Holy frick. Just no. Damnit Seymour.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:21 pm to Pocket Kingz
You either put him on a set or a bluff. He went with his read
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:25 pm to Pocket Kingz
when i got back in a few years ago it was hard to turn off live poker brain when playing online. why i switched to omaha
tournaments are a terrible way to judge players, generally
there is too much randomness and specific play to the exact situations of tournaments
also i think high stakes cash guys have a better set of results in tournies than the main tourney guys (see: Jason "bad reg" Mercier) do in cash games. i think adjusting to smaller BB stacks is easier than deep stack (and you almost never see deep stack poker in tournies)
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This feels like Hellmuth fanboying 100%.
tournaments are a terrible way to judge players, generally
there is too much randomness and specific play to the exact situations of tournaments
also i think high stakes cash guys have a better set of results in tournies than the main tourney guys (see: Jason "bad reg" Mercier) do in cash games. i think adjusting to smaller BB stacks is easier than deep stack (and you almost never see deep stack poker in tournies)
Posted on 7/10/19 at 9:34 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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You either put him on a set or a bluff. He went with his read
He was definitely including JJ (which means should include QQ) as we heard him actually say JJ while thinking.
Would he really jam a set on the dryest board ever? If he jams a straight draw there he might jam JJ and QQ so idk.
Seymour went to pure instinct and when that is not refined fear takes over. The money probably means nothing to Seymour but nobody wants to look silly on TV.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:01 pm to Pocket Kingz
He just made himself look silly with the tank muck
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:03 pm to Charlito
Seymour played that hand perfectly. He lost the min.
Huge mistake by Cudos there. How the frick does he check there?
Huge mistake by Cudos there. How the frick does he check there?
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:05 pm to Pocket Kingz
He did nothing wrong in the hand. Sitting there holding his cards for a minute afterwards was silly.
It’s a terrible check especially when the ace is bad for Seymour’s range as well. He’s hoping Seymour has A-10 he may check anyway since he checked back top 2 earlier
It’s a terrible check especially when the ace is bad for Seymour’s range as well. He’s hoping Seymour has A-10 he may check anyway since he checked back top 2 earlier
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:12 pm to Charlito
yeah, the ace river induced some kind of donk thought process but still..... Even taking Seymours nitcheck with top 2 earlier and his fold with the tens out of consideration, how many player are betting into a 4 liner after leading the turn?
Only thing that calls a check raise on the river is QJ or some weirdly played 7x. Cudos shite the bed.
Only thing that calls a check raise on the river is QJ or some weirdly played 7x. Cudos shite the bed.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:49 pm to Pocket Kingz
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Seymour played that hand perfectly. He lost the min.
Huge mistake by Cudos there. How the frick does he check there?
Looked like he was wanting to check raise
Posted on 7/10/19 at 10:49 pm to Double Oh
Is the guy from Lafayette still in?
Posted on 7/11/19 at 9:27 am to Double Oh
if you're talking about Daniel Holmes he's out, finished 250th
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