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Worst sports take: Comparing coaches taking new jobs to players transferring
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:50 am
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:50 am
I'm not against players transferring and I'm not even debating that topic. But comparing them to coaches taking new jobs is ridiculous and completely illogical.
This is the new hot take among sports reporters.
1. Players are in college for around 4 years or less. Coaches are in a career that can span 30 years or more. Assuming they will not move around in that lengthy time frame is not realistic.
Historically, in the SEC, football coaches average around a 4 year tenure. LINK
2. Football coaches have legally binding contracts, often with expensive buyouts. So, the "coaches can leave whenever they want with no repercussions" is patently false. Mel Tucker had a $3 million buyout at Colorado.
TCU basketball coach Jamie Dixon was prevented from taking the UCLA job due to his buyout.
So, whether you are pro or con on the transfer rules, this is just a feel-good "fairness" argument not grounded in facts.
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:00 am to Bjorn Cyborg
A coach preaching about or slamming a player for lack of commitment if he transfers is absolutely hypocritical if that same coach has left a position before his contract was up.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:09 am to shel311
I don't disagree, but that's a completely different argument and conversation.
Also, as far as head coaches are concerned, their contracts almost never expire. They are always added to before they get to the end. Virtually every coach that gets fired or leaves willingly is under contract.
That's another reason it's stupid to compare the two situations.
Also, as far as head coaches are concerned, their contracts almost never expire. They are always added to before they get to the end. Virtually every coach that gets fired or leaves willingly is under contract.
That's another reason it's stupid to compare the two situations.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:10 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Comparing coaches taking new jobs to players transferring
A timeless situation, a really terrible analogy that stupid people somehow think is really clever so they bust it out with a big shite eating grin on their face not realizing how f'ing stupid they look.
Reminds me of when people try to compare the college football playoffs to the NFL playoffs.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:13 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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don't disagree, but that's a completely different argument and conversation.
No it’s not.
The only time people bring up the hypocrisy is when a coach say some dumb shite like that or a fan does
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:14 am to PEPE
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A timeless situation, a really terrible analogy that stupid people somehow think is really clever so they bust it out with a big shite eating grin on their face not realizing how f'ing stupid they loo
So you think there is ZERO hypocrisy in a coach saying “there is no transfer portal in real life” and then a few months later taking another job?
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:16 am to wildtigercat93
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“there is no transfer portal in real life”
Who the frick said this dumb shite lol.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:19 am to wildtigercat93
You are interjecting things coaches are saying with an argument people are using to justify a rule change.
Coaches say dumb stuff about a lot of topics.
If we are going to conflate the two situations, are you for a one-time waiver of coaching contracts? So a coach can take another job and not have to pay his buyout. Seems fair, since the two situations are the same.
And while we are going down this road, let's start taxing athletic scholarships and benefits. Let's go full blown "real life"
Coaches say dumb stuff about a lot of topics.
If we are going to conflate the two situations, are you for a one-time waiver of coaching contracts? So a coach can take another job and not have to pay his buyout. Seems fair, since the two situations are the same.
And while we are going down this road, let's start taxing athletic scholarships and benefits. Let's go full blown "real life"
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:24 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Who the frick said this dumb shite lol.
Mel Tucker
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:24 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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we are going to conflate the two situations, are you for a one-time waiver of coaching contracts? So a coach can take another job and not have to pay his buyout. Seems fair, since the two situations are the same.
Coaches already don’t pay those buyouts so sure
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:29 am to wildtigercat93
Jesus what a tard lol.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:37 am to shel311
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A coach preaching about or slamming a player for lack of commitment if he transfers is absolutely hypocritical if that same coach has left a position before his contract was up.
I mean the circumstances definitely matter here.
If a kid transfers because he didn't start his freshman year then he deserves to be called out for being a little bitch
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:37 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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1. Players are in college for around 4 years or less. Coaches are in a career that can span 30 years or more. Assuming they will not move around in that lengthy time frame is not realistic.
I feel like you just made an argument for why players should have more freedom to move. They get a very short window and their situation changes every year because coaches can so freely change jobs.
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2. Football coaches have legally binding contracts, often with expensive buyouts. So, the "coaches can leave whenever they want with no repercussions" is patently false. Mel Tucker had a $3 million buyout at Colorado.
I’d love to see a list of coaches who lost money when they changed jobs.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:38 am to wildtigercat93
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Coaches already don’t pay those buyouts so sure
Some do, some don't. The money doesn't come from the ether. It comes from the pool of money available to pay a coach, so it's being paid directly or indirectly by the coach.
Buyouts impede coaching movement in many situations. Not always.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:39 am to floridatigah
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I feel like you just made an argument for why players should have more freedom to move.
I'm not making an argument on this issue at all, for either side. I'm just saying that comparing them to coaches is a horribly illogical argument.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:48 am to McCaigBro69
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If a kid transfers because he didn't start his freshman year then he deserves to be called out for being a little bitch
And if a coach takes another job because he went 5-7 and doesn’t think he can win at that school?
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:50 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I'm not making an argument on this issue at all, for either side. I'm just saying that comparing them to coaches is a horribly illogical argument.
Again the only reason that comparison is made is because coaches are the biggest champions of the argument that the players should have less freedom to move.
No one is arguing that coaches should have less ability to move schools. I just don’t want to hear their tears when a kid does what’s best for his life and career and don’t think they should have any say on where that kid chooses to play
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:59 am to wildtigercat93
I don't think what some idiot coach, or player, has to say about the issue should have any bearing on it.
Neither group has a shortage of morons.
Neither group has a shortage of morons.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 10:02 am to wildtigercat93
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And if a coach takes another job because he went 5-7 and doesn’t think he can win at that school?
That isn't even remotely comparable lol. A kid transferring because he didn't start day one is pure spoiled entitlement. I've also never met a D1 college coach that didn't believe he could succeed at their job.
90% of male student athletes in a big three sport are not ready to start day one. I know because I played.
The type of guys I'm talking about are your Justin Fields types. Dude knew Fromm was at UGA and still decided to sign the LOI. Lost the position battle fair and square and then bailed first thing. He easily could have waited and it wouldn't have affected his NFL trajectory in the slightest.
Incoming freshman athletes, mainly top recruits, are entitled and impatient because they never had to beat somebody who is on their level to get a starting job and they can't handle sitting.
Regardless, I think the transfer rules should be relaxed especially if it's for family/personal reasons. I'm not a fan of of coach's leaving either, especially right after kids sign a LOI. It's a business and it's something these kids learn in due time.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 10:08 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Some do
link??????
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