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Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:23 pm to RTR America
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Once the big time players like LeBron, Kobe, and CP3 signed on to play the list of coaches who could win like he did grew exponentially. I have a hard time believing that someone like Thibs couldn't have gotten the same results.
all three of those guys have been singing Coach K's praises and talking about how much they have learned from Coach K. This is a mutually beneficial situation
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Duke's recruiting was not where it used to be before he took the gig.
they won the 2010 National Championship with this roster:
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G 30 Seth Curry (I) 6 ft 1 in (1.85 m) 175 lb (79 kg) So Charlotte Christian Charlotte, NC
F 13 Olek Czyz (TO) 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) 240 lb (109 kg) So Reno Reno, NV
G 41 Jordan Davidson 6 ft 1 in (1.85 m) 180 lb (82 kg) Blair Academy Melbourne, AR
G 20 Andre Dawkins 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 190 lb (86 kg) Fr Atlantic Shores Christian Chesapeake, VA
F 51 Steve Johnson 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 210 lb (95 kg) Jr Cheyenne Mountain Colorado Springs, CO
F 34 Ryan Kelly 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) 220 lb (100 kg) Fr Ravenscroft Raleigh, NC
G 53 Casey Peters 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 185 lb (84 kg) Jr Red Bank Regional Red Bank, NJ
F 5 Mason Plumlee 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) 230 lb (104 kg) Fr Christ School Warsaw, IN
F 21 Miles Plumlee 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) 240 lb (109 kg) So Christ School Warsaw, IN
G 30 Jon Scheyer 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 190 lb (86 kg) Sr Glenbrook North Northbrook, IL
F 12 Kyle Singler 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m) 230 lb (104 kg) Jr South Medford Medford, OR
G 2 Nolan Smith 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 185 lb (84 kg) Jr Oak Hill Academy (VA) Upper Marlboro, MD
F 42 Lance Thomas 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m) 225 lb (102 kg) Sr St. Benedict's Prep Scotch Plains, NJ
F 52 Todd Zafirovski 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m) 240 lb (109 kg) Fr Lake Forest Academy Lake Forest, IL
C 55 Brian Zoubek 7 ft 1 in (2.16 m) 260 lb (118 kg) Sr Haddonfield Memorial Haddonfield, NJ
Not exactly a NBA farm team
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Now they are out recruiting basically everyone.
except Kentucky
and Mercer was obviously in awe of Coach K's Team USA connections and recruiting advantages
Anyone ever consider that perhaps spending so much time away from his program in the summers the Team USA commitments is actually HURTING Duke's program?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:01 pm to supatigah
I don't care at all what Coach K's personal motivations are as long as we keep winning.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:34 pm to supatigah
Is Woj really Baloo's pseudonym?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:43 pm to Dale Murphy
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Is Woj really Baloo's pseudonym?
maybe
woj + baloo = a lot of Duke butthurt
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 2:05 pm to supatigah
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all three of those guys have been singing Coach K's praises and talking about how much they have learned from Coach K. This is a mutually beneficial situation
He's one of the best coaches of all time, I'd be worried if they didn't. I also think they would say the same thing about a lot of coaches. Colangelo/Nike made it cool to play for team USA again.
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they won the 2010 National Championship with this roster:
Not exactly a NBA farm team
So he was recruiting like he used to which exactly what I said
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except Kentucky
No he is beating Kentucky on the recruiting trail right now. He did last year and will likely do it again this year.
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and Mercer was obviously in awe of Coach K's Team USA connections and recruiting advantages
Don't bring that up. This place hates when we you bring up K's recent shortcomings
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Anyone ever consider that perhaps spending so much time away from his program in the summers the Team USA commitments is actually HURTING Duke's program?
How? He isn't giving up any practice time and he's not the only one coaching on the US team or any other national team. He's recruiting at an insane level.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 2:29 pm to RTR America
I dont get what your point is. Are you agreeing with Woj?
Like who? Who is available that would dedicate the time and energy to this that will have the respect of players at the highest levels of the NBA?
you realize he became the Team USA coach in 2005 right? How has his recruiting changed over ten years from Team USA?
you know why his recruiting has actually exploded recently? He agreed to take Kyrie Irving as a one and done and then opened up his recruiting to one and done players where he did not before. This is a guy who famously kept Alaa Abdelnaby off the records of the 1989-1990 team because he left the program a year early. Now he is recruiting players like Jabari Parker knowing they are only going to play one year at Duke.
2014
Duke #1 52.31 pts - 3 5* 1 4*
Kentucky #2 52.04 pts - 4 5* 0 4*
2013
Kentucky #1 52.43pts 6 5*
Duke #3 51.25pts 1 5* 2 4*
2012
Kentucky #2 52.29pts 3 5* 1 4*
Duke #22 46.94pts 1 5* 1 4*
2011
Kentucky #1 52.47pts 3 5* 1 4*
Duke #2 51.45pts 1 5* 4 4*
2010
Kentucky #1 52.14pts 3 5* 2 4*
Duke #8 50.15pts 1 5* 1 4*
he just spent 2.5 months away from his Duke team. You think that doesn't matter? They got beat in the first round by MERCER last year even with his insane recruiting. He has two one and done players coming in that he just lost 2 months of interaction with
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I also think they would say the same thing about a lot of coaches.
Like who? Who is available that would dedicate the time and energy to this that will have the respect of players at the highest levels of the NBA?
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So he was recruiting like he used to which exactly what I said
you realize he became the Team USA coach in 2005 right? How has his recruiting changed over ten years from Team USA?
you know why his recruiting has actually exploded recently? He agreed to take Kyrie Irving as a one and done and then opened up his recruiting to one and done players where he did not before. This is a guy who famously kept Alaa Abdelnaby off the records of the 1989-1990 team because he left the program a year early. Now he is recruiting players like Jabari Parker knowing they are only going to play one year at Duke.
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No he is beating Kentucky on the recruiting trail right now. He did last year and will likely do it again this year.
2014
Duke #1 52.31 pts - 3 5* 1 4*
Kentucky #2 52.04 pts - 4 5* 0 4*
2013
Kentucky #1 52.43pts 6 5*
Duke #3 51.25pts 1 5* 2 4*
2012
Kentucky #2 52.29pts 3 5* 1 4*
Duke #22 46.94pts 1 5* 1 4*
2011
Kentucky #1 52.47pts 3 5* 1 4*
Duke #2 51.45pts 1 5* 4 4*
2010
Kentucky #1 52.14pts 3 5* 2 4*
Duke #8 50.15pts 1 5* 1 4*
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How? He isn't giving up any practice time and he's not the only one coaching on the US team or any other national team. He's recruiting at an insane level.
he just spent 2.5 months away from his Duke team. You think that doesn't matter? They got beat in the first round by MERCER last year even with his insane recruiting. He has two one and done players coming in that he just lost 2 months of interaction with
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 2:42 pm to supatigah
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Are you agreeing with Woj?
Mostly
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Like who? Who is available that would dedicate the time and energy to this that will have the respect of players at the highest levels of the NBA?
Seriously?
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How has his recruiting changed over ten years from Team USA?
You can't be this dense. Why do you think UNC has fallen off the map in recent years?
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He agreed to take Kyrie Irving
Now he is recruiting players like Jabari Parker knowing they are only going to play one year at Duke.
"Agreed to take Kyrie Irving"
. The article also literally states that Jabari most likely wouldn't have gone to Duke if it wasn't for K's involvement with Team USA. quote:
2014
Duke #1 52.31 pts - 3 5* 1 4*
Kentucky #2 52.04 pts - 4 5* 0 4*
2013
Kentucky #1 52.43pts 6 5*
Duke #3 51.25pts
I didn't mention 2013 and you left out 2015. So far the one and done experiment at Duke has been a failure, but Cal's coming off his 3rd final four appearance and 2nd national championship experience. How is K all of sudden beating Calipari on the recruiting trail. What is this sudden boost to their recruiting?
eta: Congrats you added more years to prove Woj's point
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:21 pm to RTR America
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Seriously?
Yes seriously. Who else besides Billy D, would dedicate the time to Team USA and that the elite NBA players would listen to and not question? NBA players are coach killers.
Thibodeau? maybe
Rivers? maybe, but he wont put in the time
Keep in mind it pretty much has to be a college guy because very very few NBA guys will give the time and even fewer will be able to get past their own player biases and rivalries.
The genius of Coach K is he can sub, they will sit down and no one will question any bias or politics or agendas in any of it. Thibodeau takes out Kyrie after a few bad shots, puts in DRose and Kyrie takes it wrong then Thibs has a problem. Thibs plays DRose too much and he gets hurt or Kyrie gets pissed and he has a problem.
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Why do you think UNC has fallen off the map in recent years?
Roy Williams has lost his fastball? The Academic Scandal? That is two pretty big reasons right there.
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"Agreed to take Kyrie Irving"
yes, there have been numerous one and done type players that Coach K has "passed on" because he didnt want them in his program. That changed with Kyrie Irving.
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The article also literally states that Jabari most likely wouldn't have gone to Duke if it wasn't for K's involvement with Team USA.
lot of good it did him and the program
2015
Duke #9 47.29pts 2 5*
Kentucky #43 27.82 pts 1 4*
obviously this is a poor choice for you to use because Kentucky's recruiting is year to year and depends largely on how many kids from the class before go to the draft.
this is the Top 10 LINK
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1 Arizona Arizona 4 3 1 0 98.99 51.69
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2
1
Louisville Louisville 4 1 3 0 98.89 51.13
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3
17
Florida State Florida State 3 1 2 0 97.87 49.91
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4
-2
Syracuse Syracuse 4 0 4 0 97.62 49.41
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5
-1
Ohio State Ohio State 4 0 4 0 96.42 49.11
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6
-1
Auburn Auburn 4 0 3 1 95.00 48.39
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7
1
Washington Washington 3 0 3 0 96.29 48.17
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8
-2
Florida Florida 3 0 3 0 96.05 47.85
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and since they are just commitments and not signees Cal could easily sign the #1 class in 2015 LINK /
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What is this sudden boost to their recruiting?
He has been the Team USA coach for TEN years. You tell me?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:24 pm to RTR America
Trying to pin Duke's recruiting on one single thing is dumb. Coach K won the national championship, got Kyrie Irving, and started to get a lot of respect for team USA all around the same time. They all contributed to the recent run of recruiting success.
But in the end, the elite players that Duke has gotten have been a) New Jersey PG b) son of NBA player/coach c) two Chicago players. So basically the same elite players that Duke and K have been getting for 30 years.
But in the end, the elite players that Duke has gotten have been a) New Jersey PG b) son of NBA player/coach c) two Chicago players. So basically the same elite players that Duke and K have been getting for 30 years.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:33 pm to RTR America
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You can't be this dense. Why do you think UNC has fallen off the map in recent years?
UNC has fallen off the map precisely because UK has taken a lot of recruits who otherwise would have looked hard at UNC. Roy Williams was on recruiting fire before Calipari came along.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:35 pm to floridatigah
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But in the end, the elite players that Duke has gotten have been a) New Jersey PG b) son of NBA player/coach c) two Chicago players. So basically the same elite players that Duke and K have been getting for 30 years.
Wait, you mean Duke wasn't getting scrubs and 2 star prospects before Coach K took over the USA gig? THat was my impression from reading RTR's derptastic posts.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:36 pm to floridatigah
I'm just irritated this is framed as a Coach K hit piece instead of what it started out as: pointing out that international basketball is a God awful and is in dire need of reform. How anyone could be interested in the World Cup is stunning to me. No team presented even the barest challenge to the US, and that's how the tourney played out. Woj is right that the NBA summer league is more interesting.
Go to a U-23 model and maybe international hoops might be interesting. We can even have Coach K be the head coach. But there just isn't the depth of international talent to support the World Cup of Basketball. It's miles behind hockey, and not even the same planet as soccer. Hell, BASEBALL is more competitive internationally.
Go to a U-23 model and maybe international hoops might be interesting. We can even have Coach K be the head coach. But there just isn't the depth of international talent to support the World Cup of Basketball. It's miles behind hockey, and not even the same planet as soccer. Hell, BASEBALL is more competitive internationally.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:37 pm to Baloo
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'm just irritated this is framed as a Coach K hit piece instead of what it started out as: pointing out that international basketball is a God awful and is in dire need of reform. How anyone could be interested in the World Cup is stunning to me. No team presented even the barest challenge to the US, and that's how the tourney played out. Woj is right that the NBA summer league is more interesting.
because it's juvenile hack journalism for gullible morons like RTR
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:38 pm to REG861
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UNC has fallen off the map precisely because UK has taken a lot of recruits who otherwise would have looked hard at UNC. Roy Williams was on recruiting fire before Calipari came along.
right, and the internal issues at UNC as well
but I am still not understanding why in the last year or two being the Team USA coach has been this huge advantage to Coach K when it wasnt in the 8-9 years before. Woj is just being a bitch and I smell Coach Cal all over that article
Why write that article today? Unless you have some personal vendetta against Coach K. Which it sure looks like Woj has. I dont understand why though. Why would Woj give a shite about a college coach?
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:41 pm to Baloo
The article had a good point. But the tone of the article devolved into a Coach K hit piece. If Woj really wanted reform and change he did a disservice to the article by adding in the Paul George and West Point stuff, which was just disrespectful.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:42 pm to REG861
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because it's juvenile hack journalism for gullible morons like RTR
Sorry K's the GOAT. I apologize for everything I have said. He's the only man who could have ever done such a good job with Team USA.
Maybe Duke will make it to the Sweet 16 this year.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:44 pm to RTR America
Sorry you're too biased to accept that Coach K has been receiving top tier recruits since the late 80's
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:44 pm to Baloo
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I'm just irritated this is framed as a Coach K hit piece instead of what it started out as: pointing out that international basketball is a God awful and is in dire need of reform. How anyone could be interested in the World Cup is stunning to me. No team presented even the barest challenge to the US, and that's how the tourney played out. Woj is right that the NBA summer league is more interesting.
agreed and Woj is going to getting creamed for taking the approach that he did
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Go to a U-23 model and maybe international hoops might be interesting. We can even have Coach K be the head coach. But there just isn't the depth of international talent to support the World Cup of Basketball. It's miles behind hockey, and not even the same planet as soccer. Hell, BASEBALL is more competitive internationally.
exactly. Put a Under 23 team together, have Shaka Smart coach and play full court press basketball at the International level and THAT would be fun to watch
this whole thing lost steam when Spain lost to France. A Spain vs team USA matchup would have been intriguing at least.
I think Woj is trying to serve a few masters here. He is clearly sitting in the Calipari/CAA camp. He is also mixing in some Team Cuban as well. Bill Simmons made the case with Zach Lowe earlier this summer that the NBA should take over the World Cup and revamp it. I agree with him completely
Posted on 9/15/14 at 3:44 pm to Baloo
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I'm just irritated this is framed as a Coach K hit piece instead of what it started out as:
This IS a hit piece. This was basically typed up by someone in Mark Cuban's office or by Arm Tellem or Dough Boy GM in Houston. They hate the fact that K (who is great with young men) gets so much buy in and can convince these guys to risk $100m contracts to play for the USA. You know what Cuban and the agents want? A TV deal with a World Cup of basketball so they can make an extra $200m. K is the scapegoat here. I remember a few years ago when he first announced his retirement, guys like Lebron and Kobe pleaded for his return.
Woj should stick to his real job; being the NBA's Adam Schefter.
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