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re: Will Notre Dame ever have a dominant football program again?
Posted on 12/27/14 at 10:40 am to moneyg
Posted on 12/27/14 at 10:40 am to moneyg
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Brian Kelly is the best thing Notre Dame has going for it, right now.
He's frustrating, because there are many times he's really brilliant (FSU and Michigan this year, Oklahoma and Miami 2012) and others when the team seems really ill-prepared and/or he makes a big coaching blunder (Navy 2010, Bama, Northwestern this year). I used to be a big time fan of Kelly, but he's starting to lose me with how the season ended, although there were a lot of injuries.
Next year's the big year for Kelly. It's his sixth year. It's hard to know exactly who will be leaving early for the NFL, but at this point for next year, ND loses two frequent starters from this year's team on offense (a lineman and TE) and only one frequent starter on defense (and he will be replaced by a guy who started as a freshman [on the national championship game team] and sophomore, but was suspended this season). If he can't have a really good season next year with that experience returning, it shows 2012 was a fluke and ND should move on.
This post was edited on 12/27/14 at 10:42 am
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Posted on 12/27/14 at 10:50 am to go ta hell ole miss
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This. As long as Notre Dame continues to hold academics in higher esteem than athletics they will not consistently be a powerhouse. Need to drop standards and/or start allowing redshirts.
Meh, it's really not that bad from an admissions standpoint. The main thing is it's really, really hard for JUCOs to transfer in. Also, there might be some kids that really have struggled badly academically that won't get in, but it's pretty rare. You don't exactly need to be a rocket scientist to get into ND as a football player.
Also, ND does "redshirt", but doesn't call it a redshirt and ND lists players by academic year. So if you go to the Website, it might say "SR" by a player's name, but he's a junior from an eligibility standpoint. The fifth-years will say "GS". I don't know if it's an official or just kind of expected, but most/all of the fifth-years graduated in four years, and then are offered to come back for a fifth year if accepted into a graduate school program, rather than completing an undergraduate degree (or "being in the process" of completing an undergrad degree) in five years.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 11:12 am to rocket31
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Multiple BCS game appearances. National title game appearance. All Americans They also had 8 players drafted last year. Only LSU had more.
This ='s above average... Not dominant......
Posted on 12/27/14 at 11:21 am to go ta hell ole miss
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This. As long as Notre Dame continues to hold academics in higher esteem than athletics they will not consistently be a powerhouse. Need to drop standards and/or start allowing redshirts. Most schools would be credited for doing such a good thing, but not Notre Dame.
This is a bunk theory for two reasons.
1) Notre Dame had plenty of success recruiting in the past with the same academic standards in place as today.
2) Schools like Stanford are having success today recruiting players with stricter academic standards than ND.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 11:33 am to dukke v
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This ='s above average... Not dominant......
i never said otherwise Capone
Posted on 12/27/14 at 11:45 am to Buckeye Fan 19
Can't blame him for bama. He had no chance to win that game. I have a better chance at winning the lottery then nd beating bama that year.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 11:47 am to Buckeye Fan 19
You won't be able to hire anyone better imo. Not like you are gonna get saban, Meyer, or jumbo fisher. That d coordinator, used to coach in the nfl?
Posted on 12/27/14 at 11:56 am to lsucoonass
I think Notre Dame will become top 10 annually. They have positioned themselves with ACC and play big enough names where they can compete for NY6 games with an occasional playoff. The key to them is maintaining continuity in staff AD to coaches.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 12:58 pm to lsucoonass
Yeah BK is one of the best.. Most ND fans are just deluded
Posted on 12/27/14 at 1:05 pm to lsucoonass
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You won't be able to hire anyone better imo.
If Kelly doesn't win 10 games next year, I completely disagree with your statement. There are a good amount of coaches that could do better at Notre Dame than:
8-5
8-5
12-1
9-4
7-6/8-5
7-6/8-5/9-4
I still think he can, but it really should be "now or never" next year. There was a lot going on this year with youth/injuries, but it'd be very disappointing if ND isn't at least in one of the big six bowls next year, in his sixth year and with all of the experience the team has coming back.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 3:50 pm to BRgetthenet
N D has not been relevant in 30 years, but a great program full of History
Posted on 12/27/14 at 4:01 pm to namvet6566
You're so wrong but whatever.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:10 pm to namvet6566
That's incorrect they were really good in the late 80' to early 90's. the teams during the Charlie Weiss reign would have been better with a stout defense. Now looking back it seems the defensive side has been the problem. Although that wasn't the case in 2011-2012
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:21 pm to lsucoonass
Yes they can. There are enough good athletes who have the academics to get into ND. Golden Tate and Te'o are proof of that. It's not the lack of athletes at ND when you consider their national recruiting.
Heck if they could recruit the catholic high schools like they used to they'd be a dominant program. They have the money, the name recognition, and brand name to recruit the best athletes even with the academic requirements.
Heck if they could recruit the catholic high schools like they used to they'd be a dominant program. They have the money, the name recognition, and brand name to recruit the best athletes even with the academic requirements.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:27 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Agreed. If they can find some Dline men like Tuitt and Nix again, they will be able to remain very relevant.
Qb will never be a problem for ND. Secondary will probably always be suspect though
Qb will never be a problem for ND. Secondary will probably always be suspect though
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:37 pm to jefforize
They had some NFL guys on the dline this year. But they've been injured or suspended since week 1 
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:43 pm to BRgetthenet
No. After LSU beats the ever living crap out of them (in the middle of the workday), they will be done for.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:53 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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The main thing is it's really, really hard for JUCOs to transfer in
hey Rudy did
Posted on 12/27/14 at 6:55 pm to BRgetthenet
If you mean dominant as in sustained success at the highest level, nope.
High entrance requirements, populations shift, the waning of the Notre Dame mystique and the fact that everyone is on TV will prevent that.
Now, they will be good every now and again, but never dominant.
High entrance requirements, populations shift, the waning of the Notre Dame mystique and the fact that everyone is on TV will prevent that.
Now, they will be good every now and again, but never dominant.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 7:16 pm to chalmetteowl
I'd like to add I actually think ND's academics helps it in recruiting. Maybe not with players, but with parents. It's one thing that separates ND. ND was my top choice as a Midwesterner who is Catholic, didn't mind the cold, didn't really mind ND's policies, liked the campus culture talked about on my visit and was highly concerned with going to a good school. Many of those reasons are why most of the regular students choose ND. Most of the elite recruits are not like that.
Why would a five-star from Mississippi or Florida choose ND over the SEC, especially now that basically all games are televised? The answer is academics. ND is the only school that has a football culture/importance remotely close to a Bama, Ohio State, Texas, etc., that's also a top-20 school. The academics are actually one of the things that I think helps, not hurts, in recruiting. Without the academics, ND might as well be Nebraska for most high school top recruits, except with perhaps slightly more mystique, a nicer campus and a not-as-nice city.
Why would a five-star from Mississippi or Florida choose ND over the SEC, especially now that basically all games are televised? The answer is academics. ND is the only school that has a football culture/importance remotely close to a Bama, Ohio State, Texas, etc., that's also a top-20 school. The academics are actually one of the things that I think helps, not hurts, in recruiting. Without the academics, ND might as well be Nebraska for most high school top recruits, except with perhaps slightly more mystique, a nicer campus and a not-as-nice city.
This post was edited on 12/27/14 at 7:18 pm
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