re: Why I hate LeBron James

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Simply put, he wasn't a nice dude.

He was arrogant and pretty much an a-hole to everyone.

But that's ok because his name isn't Lebron.

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How wasn't he a nice dude? Because he had an ego? News flash: 95% of professional athletes have big egos. Do you really expect the best to ever play the sport not to have a little bit of an ego? Do you hate Muhammad Ali? He is easily the most loudmouth, arrogant prick in sports history. And where are you getting this crap that he was an a-hole to everyone? Sounds like you are pulling shite out your arse and hoping it sticks to the wall.

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So you're admitting all these people have misplaced hate? I would agree to that, they're hating the wrong entity.

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LeBron has embraced it and celebrated it from day one. It's one thing to just go through the motions with it, but this dude legitimately believes he is some sort of King and has since he was called that.

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Maybe he hasn't "had to", but he most certainly has. Anyone who even thinks for one second that Lebron hasn't worked hard should just excuse themselves from any Lebron conversations due to overwhelming bias LOL.

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I'm not saying he hasn't worked hard at all, I'm just saying he's not putting as much work into his game as the greatest players in the game like your Magics, Kobes, Jordans, Birds, etc. The difference between LeBron and those guys is that LeBron just wants to be called the best, those guys wanted to BE the best.

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Not 1/100th as pathetic as people who blindly hate on him for pretty much everything, and don't see ANY of the positives.

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Just so you know, there are probably very few people who truly hate him. Most of the "haters" just dislike the guy. Even still, why does it bother you so much that people dislike him? Does it really have some big negative effect on your life that people don't like LeBron? Why are you so vested in his cause?

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What do haters gain by bashing him online? Do you think he cares? Do you think it's going to give you street cred or some great reputation? I can understand if you are a 12 year old Lebron hater. But grown arse men basically hating on a guy for some pretty ridiculous reasons? That's just a damn shame

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Cute but a sign of a defeated man. This is a sports board so of course the most popular current NBA player is going to get mentioned. When you've said and done the things that he has done, it welcomes criticisms. The fact that you think it is ridiculous for people not to like LeBron and are foolish enough to believe that 99% of the "haters" on here actually hate him, is a damn shame really. Why are you so invested in his cause? What do you have to gain for defending him against criticism? You do realize that he will never know about this right?

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Simply judging your post, it's obvious you're not at all neutral. Reason being, there are far far far more Lebron hatred posts then there are positive posts. Maybe I've missed it, but I haven't see the 5 paragraph, long arse post from you ripping on the hater guys. Nope, you only rip the guys who are on Lebron's side.

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So because I don't constantly post positive things about him means I'm a hater? Really? Now you are telling me what my feelings towards a player are just because of what you have read online? Seriously? Dude this is an absolute joke, Why are you so interested in defending him? This isn't normal fanhood on your part. There is some deep psychological problem with you if you are going to defend a guy online this much that you have probably never met.

Someone remind me not to take this guy's posts about LeBron or the NBA seriously.

Can someone point out where in Hollinger's formula that he accounts for a player's defensive impact in a game? TIA.

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Can someone point out where in Hollinger's formula that he accounts for a player's defensive impact in a game?

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If you think LeBron isn't an elite defender, then you need to actually start watching some basketball because you obviously don't now

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It doesn't effect my life that MJ is a gigantic douchebag, but he still is one.

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Apprently it does

MJ was a douche on the court not off of it.

Lebron isn't a douche on the court but is one off of it.

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Not even close.

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Name 5 better.

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I could ask you the same thing for bringing up Hollinger's formula, which is a horrible way to measure a player's quality of play btw. It rewards players who takes an excessive amount of shots with little penalty. It also does not take any effect that defense has. For example, Bruce Bowen, one of the best defenders in NBA history, only registered one season in double digit PER. Under Hollinger's guide, Bowen would have been an end of rotation guide barely staying out of the D-League.

If you want to use that formula to measure how good a player is, than fine, but it's a horrible way to measure a player's overall impact on the court.

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We're having a different conversation than that though. We're asking "Is this one of the greatest seasons ever?" Not, is this low usage wing player effective.

LeBron's quality of defense is on par to what Jordan or Pippen played, in a era when you can't be anywhere near as physical with your opponents. Add to it that he's possibly the most versatile defender in the league since Magic, I don't really see how the limitations of PER would really affect the outcome of this decision, at least in a negative light. It might even show it to be better than what people realize.

And again, I showed you an example of how you could measure someone's defensive impact, by showing whether the person they guard produces on the court. People guarded by LeBron do not produce on the court. I'm not trying to claim it's the end all of arguments by any means, but it's one example of evidence that supports the claims made.

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There is some deep psychological problem with you if you are going to defend a guy online this much that you have probably never met. 

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Says the guy doing the exact same thing as me, just on the opposite end of the debate.

I find it funny that you don't have the self awareness to realize you're investing just as much time as me in this, and not realizing it.

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No, it doesn't.

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Are you stupid or willfully ignorant?

To channel Dave Berri: Hollinger argues that each two point field goal made is worth about 1.65 points. A three point field goal made is worth 2.65 points. A missed field goal, though, costs a team 0.72 points. Given these values, with a bit of math we can show that a player will break even on his two point field goal attempts if he hits on 30.4% of these shots. On three pointers the break-even point is 21.4%. If a player exceeds these thresholds, and virtually every NBA player does so with respect to two-point shots, the more he shoots the higher his value in PERs. So a player can be an inefficient scorer and simply inflate his value by taking a large number of shots

That's the facts proven by stats. If you are any indication of the average graduate of Tulane, then that institution's academic prestige is severely overrated.

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Says the guy doing the exact same thing as me, just on the opposite end of the debate.

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Lol you can't possibly be this stupid. You are vehemently defending LeBron against any statements that aren't positive. My only stance in this thread have been declaring my neutrality and pointing out the absurdity of those - like you - who can't understand how pathetic it is for them to willingly devote themselves to LeBron's cult of personality. It's pathetic. You know it, but you can't just admit it because then you'd be admitting how pathetic of a being you are. What's even more disturbing is these appear to be the only threads you show your head in as well. Can't be bothered to talk about sports because you have to defend LeBron against the evil non-believers!

You go be the best e-knight you can be!

I knew a kid once who thought Hakeem's real first name was "The Dream". He also thought it was a myth that Magic caught the HIV.