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re: What school has the highest standards for ATH admission: Duke, ND or Standford?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:46 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:46 pm to lsupride87
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Ok, then so is most every school in the NCAA
I don't have an issue with that premise.
LSU isn't admitting 25 functional illiterates every year. The vast majority can handle an LSU caliber workload.
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:47 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:Ok then i dont even know what we are arguing about
I don't have an issue with that premise.
LSU isn't admitting 25 functional illiterates every year. The vast majority can handle an LSU caliber workload.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:27 pm to SpartyGator
I'm impressed that college football players at major schools have something like a 99% success rate at maintaining the GPA needed to remain eligible.
Their numbers shatter any other demographic out there. I doubt graduates of most of the to private and magnet schools have such a high rate of academic success as these players, many of which would not be accepted into the university if they were non-athletes.
Their numbers shatter any other demographic out there. I doubt graduates of most of the to private and magnet schools have such a high rate of academic success as these players, many of which would not be accepted into the university if they were non-athletes.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:45 pm to Asgard Device
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I'm impressed that college football players at major schools have something like a 99% success rate at maintaining the GPA needed to remain eligible.
99% of their work is done by tutors.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:53 pm to RandyVandy
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99% of their work is done by tutors.
I'm not going to mention a specific case (though something did happen while I was at LSU, and I thought it was sketchy as shite) but I'm not even sure athletes necessarily take the same tests as their classmates.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 4:59 pm to RandyVandy
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99% of their work is done by tutors.
bul fn shite
i currently tutor at a high profile school and you can not be further from the truth
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:00 pm to OFWHAP
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but I'm not even sure athletes necessarily take the same tests as their classmates.
as a prof at the same school as I tutor, i must say, youre also full of fn shite
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:04 pm to rocket31
We 100% took all of the tests. The advantages were the fact that we had a free tutor for every class we wanted, and were able to get notes from any class we missed for travel. It is definitely helpful but we definitely took out tests.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:21 pm to rocket31
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as a prof at the same school as I tutor, i must say, youre also full of fn shite
So during a final, our teacher handed out the tests for all of us to take. As soon as she hands out the tests, she walks up to a football player's desk, takes his test, leaves the room for a few minutes, and then returns to the classroom and places a different set of papers on his desk. How should I view this particular situation?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:26 pm to OFWHAP
This thread is badly in need of some numbers.
As a general summary, outside of Stanford, Duke, Rice, Northwestern, Vandy to a certain extent, if you are literate, you can play D-1 revenue sports. For Stanford, Duke, Rice, Northwestern, Vandy, ND, you need to be a decent high school student but it is way easier to get in than for a normal student. But a guy like Markeith Ambles isn't going to get a Duke, ND, or Stanford offer.
This is a link to SAT median scores for a variety of schools. It is from 1997 so the numbers are a bit on the low side, but it will give you a general idea of how things work.
LINK
As a general summary, outside of Stanford, Duke, Rice, Northwestern, Vandy to a certain extent, if you are literate, you can play D-1 revenue sports. For Stanford, Duke, Rice, Northwestern, Vandy, ND, you need to be a decent high school student but it is way easier to get in than for a normal student. But a guy like Markeith Ambles isn't going to get a Duke, ND, or Stanford offer.
This is a link to SAT median scores for a variety of schools. It is from 1997 so the numbers are a bit on the low side, but it will give you a general idea of how things work.
LINK
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:31 pm to Keys Open Doors
That link is from 1997. Lsu wasn't even paying their coach a million a year then I don't think 
College football was still somewhat honorable back then. But even in your link Stanford's average sat score was terrible. A 23 average means there is multiple kids under 20. Aka absolute morons.
Eta: Even I didn't know football teams were as stupid as that link shows
College football was still somewhat honorable back then. But even in your link Stanford's average sat score was terrible. A 23 average means there is multiple kids under 20. Aka absolute morons. Eta: Even I didn't know football teams were as stupid as that link shows
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:36 pm to lsupride87
Look, if you want to believe that Stanford is offering kids with 2.4s and 18 ACTs, I don't know what to tell you.
They are obviously offering dozens of kids who would be laughed out of the admissions office without football, but the standards are different at the top private schools and everywhere else.
They are obviously offering dozens of kids who would be laughed out of the admissions office without football, but the standards are different at the top private schools and everywhere else.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:38 pm to Keys Open Doors
quote:We are just going to have to agree to disagree. No point in arguing
Look, if you want to believe that Stanford is offering kids with 2.4s and 18 ACTs, I don't know what to tell you. They are obviously offering dozens of kids who would be laughed out of the admissions office without football, but the standards are different at the top private schools and everywhere else.
Eta: but when your average act score is 23 it's hard to think there aren't some 18s in there
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:42 pm to lsupride87
There are probably a small number of 18s and 19s, but those kids will generally have higher GPAs because they either come from urban or extremely rural high schools (aka their classmates aren't too great).
The top 5 schools are all highly regarded private schools, and in the top dozen, nine of twelve are private schools.
The top 5 schools are all highly regarded private schools, and in the top dozen, nine of twelve are private schools.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 6:47 pm to Keys Open Doors
quote:Yeh my reasoning is the bottom half of their athletes are the top of their class academically. If you want to go there as a third string bench rider/special teams you better have a 3.8 with a 30+ act. But like I said there really is no way to know for certain, but this is what I have gathered from my experience. I have no problem with guys like you disagreeing, just the posters who say I am talking out of my arse
The top 5 schools are all highly regarded private schools, and in the top dozen, nine of twelve are private schools.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 7:36 pm to lsupride87
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A 28 ACT would not get you into Ivies today, athlete or not. Even football players I'm sure need at least a 30+ on the ACT
MIT is not Ivy, they are in a league of their own with Cal Tech, and athletics mean absolutely nothing to those two schools. In fact, Cal Tech boasts about how bad their basketball team
is because it proves they are smarter(call teach lost 330 straight games). Like i said the only thing I can prove with evidence is Ivy league schools accepted me as well as offered me scholarships.
one of the craziest things i've ever seen was the ncaa sanctioning cal tech about their try a course for three weeks program!!!! cal tech is a div 3 program!!!!
good grief, the average cal tech freshman probably comes in with at least a year's worth of advance credit!!!
Posted on 1/3/14 at 8:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They certainly don't recruit dummies, but their average athlete isn't on par with their average student.
Different students get in for different reasons. Some get in for being great athletes, some for their award winning writing for the school newspaper, some because they founded the learning program for autistic kids at their local children's hospital, some because they were a national debate team champion, some because they wrote an essay about their missionary trip to Haiti that made everyone who read it cry, and finally some because they scored in the 2 percentile in the SAT.
Just because the debate team champ, athlete or award winning writer didn't score in the top 2 percentile in the SAT doesn't mean they weren't also great students.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 9:03 pm to VerlanderBEAST
As both a UF and Duke grad, from my experience Duke held their athletes were held to a much higher standard than UF athletes but still not as high as the rest of the student body.
What you have to understand is that most top shelf athletes don't care about their degree as they likely won't graduate. They want the coach, experience, and opportunity to showcase themselves.
What you have to understand is that most top shelf athletes don't care about their degree as they likely won't graduate. They want the coach, experience, and opportunity to showcase themselves.
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