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re: What is the most overated baseball stat?
Posted on 8/20/09 at 10:09 am to Sophandros
Posted on 8/20/09 at 10:09 am to Sophandros
quote:then i said it was probably 2nd or 3rd. Did u read that part? My point is that its very overrated. I'd say wins or saves MIGHT be more overrated. However, everyone seemed to pick one of those 2, so for the sake of discussion i mentioned K's. jesus titty fricking christ
You claimed that it is THE MOST OVERRATED STAT
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Posted on 8/20/09 at 10:10 am to Baloo
i looked at Bonds stats, the year he hit 73 HR's, he tied his career high with 93 K's, he also had 178 BB. The next year he hit .370 and only had 47 K's with 198 BB.
Posted on 8/20/09 at 10:11 am to Pilot Tiger
Dude, I should hope that you could tell at some point I was just getting under your skin.
This post was edited on 8/20/09 at 10:12 am
Posted on 8/20/09 at 10:17 am to Sophandros
i hate you
Posted on 8/20/09 at 10:20 am to Pilot Tiger
Holy shite!!! I left for awhile, but I cannot believe that we are still discussing this.
Posted on 8/20/09 at 10:20 am to Kige Ramsey
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wins for a pitcher
Posted on 8/20/09 at 10:23 am to Pilot Tiger
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i hate you
I need to get a Rod Smart jersey from the XFL.
Posted on 8/20/09 at 11:25 am to Sophandros
Posted on 8/20/09 at 11:29 am to Pilot Tiger
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Errors are also tremendously overrated.
naw
a large percentage of errors hve nothing to do with players making plays on tougher plays
Posted on 8/20/09 at 11:30 am to H-Town Tiger
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Most of the time guys that draw lots walks do not strike out a lot. There are always excpetions of course and many power hitters get more intentional walks, which does not mean he is a disciplined hitter.
The exceptions are the high walk guys/low strike out guys. Do any research and you will see that. For instance, last year, of the top 10 walk totals in MLB, only Pujols was not also a K machine.
Not only that, but there is a positive correlation between strikeouts per plate appearance and walks per plate appearance. That means that a guy that strikes out more frequently is more likely to walk frequently. Again, Pujols is the exception, not the rule.
This post was edited on 8/20/09 at 11:34 am
Posted on 8/20/09 at 12:03 pm to Vale
At the major league level, I think strikeouts for a batter are pretty useless. But I think they are a pretty useful indicator for minor league hitters. If hitters are striking out a lot and can't handle minor league pitching, I think it bodes a little worse for them at the major league level.
Posted on 8/20/09 at 2:53 pm to Vale
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The exceptions are the high walk guys/low strike out guys
that could be.
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there is a positive correlation between strikeouts per plate appearance and walks per plate appearance
naturally guys that have more plate appearances will have more of most cumulative stats.
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That means that a guy that strikes out more frequently is more likely to walk frequently
Not necessarily, it means guys that come to the plate more often will accululate higher totals in cumulative stats.
Posted on 8/20/09 at 3:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
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naturally guys that have more plate appearances will have more of most cumulative stats.
Umm...the positive correlation is between strikeouts per plate appearance and walks per plate appearance.
So everything you said is utterly worthless in this discussion.
Posted on 8/20/09 at 3:12 pm to Vale
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What is the most overated baseball stat?
saves. a closer is so freaking overrated, they come in with no one on base and asked to get three outs. they can have a 3 run lead and its still a save
Posted on 8/20/09 at 3:13 pm to RLDSC FAN
Anytime someone gets credit for a save with a 27 run lead, something is wrong
Posted on 8/20/09 at 3:16 pm to lsu31always
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Anytime someone gets credit for a save with a 27 run lead, something is wrong
Was it Kurkijan who was freaking the frick out about this? Like he was almost having an orgasm on screen.
Posted on 8/20/09 at 3:19 pm to BayouBengals03
Ya
Posted on 8/20/09 at 3:29 pm to Baloo
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out, runners advance
out, runners do not advance
fielders choice which costs offense a base (ex - runner on 2nd is out, batter reaches first)
double play
triple play
An out is an out. ALL OUTS are bad. Some are worse than others, but at that point, we're talking about mitigating damage, not a positive.
This is all true. But putting the ball in play gives a hitter the better chance of achieving an out, with the runners advancing.
Still, strikeouts for power hitters is an overrated stat. You have to take the good with the bad. The guy might strikeout 180 times a season (and a lot of times with runners on base) and have a lot of unproductive outs, but he makes up for it with a lot of home runs and total bases when he does put the ball in play.
A strikeout is not overrated at all though when a non power hitter who hits .250 or .260 is batting. This player would usually bat in the bottom third of the lineup, and sometimes his job would be to advance the runners in some way, by hit or out. Basically, to just do something productive. If this type of player is striking out a lot, like 110 or 115 times a year, then it is a problem.
This post was edited on 8/20/09 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 8/20/09 at 3:30 pm to Kige Ramsey
Batting average with a 3-2 count against a LHP and runners in scoring position.
Posted on 8/20/09 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
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naw
a large percentage of errors hve nothing to do with players making plays on tougher plays
guys with better range get to more balls thus increasing their chances to make errors
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