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re: What is the basketball reason for no Hibbert on D?
Posted on 5/23/13 at 12:51 am to c on z
Posted on 5/23/13 at 12:51 am to c on z
The Fix is in. Mafia making money at vogel's expense. NBA has been fixed for decades man. LeBron gotta to win as much as MJ. Too much of a storyline dude. Pockets of cash being made.
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Posted on 5/23/13 at 12:52 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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LSU Tiger in Texas
Spot on
1) Hindsight is 20/20
2) The NBA is a matchup driven leauge, so with Hibbert in as others have said, George no longer guards Lebron.
3) Cannot blame a coach when players obviously just have a brain fart, everyone in the building assumed Lebron would pull up and take a jumper with 2.2, but he made a heady and gutsy play to take the chance and go get a layup.
4) Vogel is a very good coach, and when people always complain, the NBA has no defense, well he is the opposite, and a likable guy.
5) Anybody that says he should be fired is a dumbass
Posted on 5/23/13 at 2:20 am to lsutothetop
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Vogel was asked about his decision as soon as his postgame press conference began, and said that the lineup the Heat had on the floor dictated his response.
“That’s the dilemma they present when they have Chris Bosh at the five spot and his ability to space the floor,” Vogel said. “We put a switching lineup in with the intent to switch, keep everything in front of us and try to go into or force a challenged jumpshot. We pushed up a little bit too much, LeBron was able to beat us off the bounce.”
It’s true that George was out of position defensively, and that was the reason James was able to have such a wide open lane to the basket. But with Hibbert there, it’s possible James might have had his shot altered (or, at the very least, contested), and he may have even been forced to get the ball to someone else.
Vogel explained in further detail what he was trying to accomplish.
“They’re hurting us on the small pick-and-rolls where we’re trying to blitz and get back,” he said. “So you have a couple of alternatives. The intent is to try to switch and just, you know, hope that a point guard can keep him in front of us, and both situations we just pushed up on him a little bit too much, and he was able to beat us off the bounce.”
But still — why no Hibbert?
“We expected [Chris Bosh] to be a spacing option,” Vogel said. “If Roy were in the game, he probably would have been first or second option, if it didn’t come to LeBron, if LeBron could one-bounce, draw Roy to the rim and have Bosh spot it up.
“So it’s the dilemma that they present. Obviously, with the way it worked out, you know, it would have been better to have Roy in the game. But you don’t know. If that happens, maybe Bosh is making the jumpshot, and we’re all talking about that.”
Maybe. But any way you look at it, a wide-open jumpshot is a far lower percentage play than an uncontested shot at the rim will ever be. Which is why if Vogel gets another chance, he’s likely to change his philosophy. “We’ll have to evaluate and see what we’ll do the next time,” Vogel said. “I would say we’ll probably have him in next time.”
This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 2:22 am
Posted on 5/23/13 at 3:06 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
quote:Couldn't agree more. "He should be fired" what a fricking clown
fricking MSB mouse jockeys think they know more than a guy who's spent his life playing/coaching basketball. They are soooo much smarter once LBJ makes the layup. If James passes to an open bosh in the corner, fogel is an idiot for guarding him with a center and protecting the lane, despite no one in there. All these MSB geniuses need to stop wasting their collective greatness typing away at an anonymous message board and display that infinite knowledge for the rest of us to learn from
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:09 am to BeYou
I dk, I feel like Vogel kind of out smarted himself reading that
I just feel like making a substitution to stop a Bosh jumper was over thinking it IMO. And before some pissed off guy tells me I should get out from behind a keyboard... frick off, I'm allowed to have an opinion
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“So it’s the dilemma that they present. Obviously, with the way it worked out, you know, it would have been better to have Roy in the game. But you don’t know. If that happens, maybe Bosh is making the jumpshot, and we’re all talking about that.”
I just feel like making a substitution to stop a Bosh jumper was over thinking it IMO. And before some pissed off guy tells me I should get out from behind a keyboard... frick off, I'm allowed to have an opinion
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:12 am to Tiger1242
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I mean, they took him out, Lebron gets an easy layup, put him back in for offense, than take him out again, another Lebron easy layup...
What in the world was the thinking?
They had him out because they wanted to better defend the kick out jump shot, but the Heat bamboozled them and went down low with LBJ.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:15 am to Me Bite
Yea, I just, like I said it seems like he over thought it. If Lebron drives, Hibbert collapses, and Lebron kicks it out to Bosh, who hits a 20 footer, all in 2.2 seconds, than you tip your cap to them
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:22 am to Tiger1242
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If Lebron drives, Hibbert collapses, and Lebron kicks it out to Bosh, who hits a 20 footer, all in 2.2 seconds, than you tip your cap to them
It's what makes the heat so hard to defend in these situations.
If they have Hibbert out there and decide to switch all screens, then the Heat run a play to get Hibbery on Lebron on the perimeter. If the Pacers decide not to switch everything then you have Lebron rolling to the basket with a lot of space or an open Allen/Bosh jumper.
In that situation you have to switch everything and keep the man in front of you. It wasn't a bad call to have Hibbert on the bench, it was bad execution by George and West.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:35 am to EarthwormJim
quote:The Heat?
It's what makes the heat so hard to defend in these situations.
They won fair and square.
Why would they need defending after that game?
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:36 am to EarthwormJim
Yep. There are very few people on here who get it
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:38 am to Roaad
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The Heat?
They won fair and square.
Why would they need defending after that game?
I'm talking about defending the team on the court, dude.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:39 am to EarthwormJim
I get what you're saying, but it's not like Hibbert is a liability on D, he was the reaso all game Lebron couldn't do exactly what he did on the last 2 possessions. People are giving George Hill crap, but who can guard Lebron 1 on 1 with no help?
I'm not saying I'm a better basketball mind than Vogel, and I know hind sight is 20/20. But I think in situations like that, you win with what got you there. They're in the ECF bc Hibbert is around to protect the paint, they've got the best chance to beat the Heat bc of Hibberts rim protecting ability. I just feel like you put your best guys out there, if they beat you good for them, but at least you had your strongest foot on the floor
I'm not saying I'm a better basketball mind than Vogel, and I know hind sight is 20/20. But I think in situations like that, you win with what got you there. They're in the ECF bc Hibbert is around to protect the paint, they've got the best chance to beat the Heat bc of Hibberts rim protecting ability. I just feel like you put your best guys out there, if they beat you good for them, but at least you had your strongest foot on the floor
This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 10:41 am
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:43 am to EarthwormJim
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I'm talking about defending the team on the court, dude.
frick
The forest for the trees.
My bad.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:45 am to Tiger1242
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They're in the ECF bc Hibbert is around to protect the paint, they've got the best chance to beat the Heat bc of Hibberts rim protecting ability. I just feel like you put your best guys out there, if they beat you good for them, but at least you had your strongest foot on the floor
He's a good rim protector in standard half court defense, but on that play you're trying to force a contested jumpshot.
With Hibbert in the game the Heat either runa play to get Hibbert on Lebron or the pull Hibbert to the corner with Bosh and his rim protecting ability is lost unless he is camping out in the lane.
The mistake wasn't not having anyone protect the rim, the mistake was allowing James to get to the rim with 2.2 seconds, and Hibbert out there would have done nothing to prevent that unless he ignores all his other responsibilities and camps out in the lane.
This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 10:50 am
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:52 am to EarthwormJim
But that's what I'm saying, Hill is 1 on 1 on Lebron, the best basketball player on earth, nobody can stop him with no help right there. And even Vogel basically admitted in that interview Hibbert should have been in, and will be next time. And yea, they're trying to force a contested J. So all Hibbert would've had to do if he got switched into Lebron, is sag off and make him shoot, and do his best to contest. Same thing if he's on Bosh at the end, help into the paint, on the kick out try and recover and contest. On another note, if that scenario plays out and Hibbert helps down off his man on Lebron driving, he doesn't have time to kick it out for a jumper, he barely got the shot off as it is
This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 10:53 am
Posted on 5/23/13 at 11:02 am to Tiger1242
The goal on defense right there is to defend the initial pass, with that little time whoever receives the pass is going to be the shooter. Hibbert has no time to recover and help in the paint on the Lebron drive if he's switching everything.
If Hibbert camps in the lane he leaves a shooter open on the inbounds play. Obviously looking back you would rather leave a guy like Allen or Bosh open on the initial inbounds instead of allowing James to drive, but you also expect George and West to not allow a one dribble move to the rim.
The decision to keep Hibbert on the bench wasn't a bad one, the Heat just ran a better offensive play.
If Hibbert camps in the lane he leaves a shooter open on the inbounds play. Obviously looking back you would rather leave a guy like Allen or Bosh open on the initial inbounds instead of allowing James to drive, but you also expect George and West to not allow a one dribble move to the rim.
The decision to keep Hibbert on the bench wasn't a bad one, the Heat just ran a better offensive play.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 11:05 am to EarthwormJim
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The mistake wasn't not having anyone protect the rim, the mistake was allowing James to get to the rim with 2.2 seconds, and Hibbert out there would have done nothing to prevent that unless he ignores all his other responsibilities and camps out in the lane.
This is exactly what the basketball experts all said this morning on Mike and Mike.
Golic and Greenie disagree and think Hibbert should have been out there.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 11:11 am to tigerpimpbot
I get all that, but did Hansborough do anything Hibbert couldn't have done? If anything at least having Hibbert in there means LBJ possibly thinks about taking it to the rack??? I dk, just seems like a weir decision, and I said that to my friends right when I saw he wasn't in, before the play
Posted on 5/23/13 at 11:22 am to Tiger1242
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get all that, but did Hansborough do anything Hibbert couldn't have done?
He stuck with Allen in the corner when he came off a screen.
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If anything at least having Hibbert in there means LBJ possibly thinks about taking it to the rack???
Hibbert wouldn't be camping out in the lane, and if he is that means a shooter is wide open. If on the initial inbound pass the ball goes to a wide open Allen and he sinks a jumper because Hibbert is camping out or can't stick with him, then Vogel gets criticized for not matching up defensively.
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