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Verlander is a terrible postseason pitcher

Posted on 10/12/12 at 7:47 pm
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 7:47 pm
This was a common statement last year, based on an extremely small size )2 playoffs) against obviously good teams. Now that he has given up no runs in 16 straight innings, can that silly statement be put to rest?

In fact, can we put all statements about players being "choke artists" or "clutch" to rest when it is based on small sample size?
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202991 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 7:49 pm to
quote:

This was a common statement last year, based on an extremely small size )2 playoffs) against obviously good teams. Now that he has given up no runs in 16 straight innings, can that silly statement be put to rest?


There is the rain issue last year against NY. Kinda fricked things up. BUT The TIGERS win this series in 6. book it.
Posted by LSUlunatic
Member since Dec 2006
6833 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

In fact, can we put all statements about players being "choke artists" or "clutch" to rest when it is based on small sample size?

It's the playoffs. Sample sizes are small.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

It's the playoffs. Sample sizes are small.


So maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions about a players ability to be "clutch" or"choke artists" based on them?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18985 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 7:53 pm to
The funny thing is he's really only had 1 bad post season start (game 1 of the 06 WS)
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

The funny thing is he's really only had 1 bad post season start (game 1 of the 06 WS)


And that was my fault...I went to the game.
Posted by LSUlunatic
Member since Dec 2006
6833 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 7:56 pm to
Agreed. But some performances are "clutch."
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278462 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 7:58 pm to
Verlander was a different pitcher then than he is now. He had inconsistent tendencies. This thread is stupid.

Different player, different times.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:00 pm to
quote:

Verlander was a different pitcher then than he is now. He had inconsistent tendencies.


Wait, so last year when he was MVP of the league he had inconsistent tendencies, but now he has grown? Because it was last year that the "Verlander sucks in the post season" comments were prevalent, not 2006
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:04 pm to
I forgot he sucked last year too.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18985 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:06 pm to
Its a myth that he sucked last year.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278462 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:10 pm to
He didn't suck but he wasnt himself.

He had 1 QS coming into this postseason in 8 starts. Actually 8 games started is a pretty large sample size for playoffs.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:13 pm to
Nah he sucked..... Allowed 3 or more runs every game while goin 8 only once..... 5+ ERA in 4 games
Allowed 12 runs in 20.1 innings.......
Not what you need from your ace......

5 runs in 9 vs Yanks
7 runs in 11.1 vs Rangers
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18985 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:19 pm to
quote:

He didn't suck but he wasnt himself.

He had 1 QS coming into this postseason in 8 starts. Actually 8 games started is a pretty large sample size for playoffs



1 terrible start, 6 ok starts and a rainout
Posted by poncho villa
DALLAS
Member since Jul 2010
17706 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:21 pm to
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BUT The TIGERS win this series in 6. book it.


I don't think anyone takes predictions from you seriously anymore
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278462 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:26 pm to
quote:

1 terrible start, 6 ok starts and a rainout



so basically he's been a disappointment

a guy like Colby Lewis has better postseason numbers
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:28 pm to
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so basically he's been a disappointment


Pretty much. Should have benched him for Porcello against Oakland in the ALDS. He just didn't have it last night.
This post was edited on 10/12/12 at 8:30 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278462 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:30 pm to
you sound butthurt
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41200 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:30 pm to
Prior to this year 8 Post season starts, over 5 series; never had a ERA below 5+ in any of those 5 series.

quote:

can that silly statement be put to rest?


let's see what he does in the next series or two?
Posted by floridatigah
FL
Member since Oct 2004
10395 posts
Posted on 10/12/12 at 8:30 pm to
Trying too hard.
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