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re: USC penalties: 4 yrs probation, 30 docked scholarships over 3 year

Posted on 6/10/10 at 11:16 pm to
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115443 posts
Posted on 6/10/10 at 11:16 pm to
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the NCAA's precedent in this isn't about agents. the NCAA said, "cooperate or risk getting fricked in the arse"


DING!!!!

These paragraphs from the summary page from the NCAA (emphasis added):

"A member of the Pacific-10 Conference, the institution has an enrollment of approximately 35,000 students. The institution sponsors 10 men's and 11 women's intercollegiate sports. This was the institution's sixth major infractions case. Most recently, the institution appeared before the committee in June 2001 for a case involving the football and the women's swimming programs. Accordingly, USC is considered a "repeat violator" under NCAA bylaw 19.5.2.3. The institution also had infractions cases in 1986, 1982, l959, and 1957, all of which involved it's football program."

As well as this (emphasis added):

"The committee acknowledged the difficulty of the investigation. Investigations of amateurism cases are often laborious, given the significant effort by those involved to avoid leaving a paper trail or other evidence. It also noted that a number of the key individuals, including the involved former football and basketball student-athletes, refused to cooperate fully with the investigation. Finally, in the case of men’s basketball, credible information surfaced during the time that the football allegations were being actively investigated.

In determining the penalties, the committee considered the university’s self-imposed penalties, corrective actions and cooperation. The committee seriously contemplated imposing a television-ban penalty in this case. However, after careful consideration, it ultimately decided that the penalties below adequately respond to the nature of violations and the level of institutional responsibility. The penalties, some of which were self-imposed by the university and adopted by the committee, are:
•Public reprimand and censure.
•Four years of probation from June 10, 2010, through June 9, 2014. The public report further details the conditions of this probation.•Postseason ban for the 2009-10 men’s basketball season (self-imposed by the university).
•Postseason ban for the 2010 and 2011 football seasons.
•One-year show-cause penalty for the assistant football coach (June 10, 2010, to June 9, 2011). The public report further details the conditions of this penalty.•Vacation of all wins in which the former football student-athlete competed while ineligible, beginning in December 2004. This vacation includes participation in any postseason competition, including football bowl games.
•Vacation of all wins in which the former men’s basketball student-athlete competed during the 2007-08 regular season (self-imposed by the university). The committee also stated this vacation must include participation in any postseason competition, conference tournaments and NCAA championships.
•Vacation of all wins in which the former women’s tennis student-athlete competed while ineligible between November 2006 and May 2009 (self-imposed by the university). The committee also stated this vacation must include participation in any postseason competition, conference tournaments and NCAA championships.
•Reduction of football athletics scholarships to 15 initial grants and 75 total grants for each of the 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 academic years. This represents a decrease of 10 scholarships for each of the three seasons.
•Reduction of men’s basketball athletics scholarships from 13 to 12 for the 2009-10 and 2010-11 academic years (self-imposed by the university).
•Reduction of the total number of recruiting days in men’s basketball by 20 days (from 130 to 110) for the 2010-11 academic year (self-imposed by the university).
•A $5,000 financial penalty (self-imposed by the university).
•Remittance of the $206,200 the university received for its participation in the 2008 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship (self-imposed by the university). In addition, the committee noted the university must also forfeit all future distributions scheduled for this appearance.
•Disassociation of the former football student-athlete, the former men’s basketball student-athlete and the representative who provided extra benefits to the former men’s basketball student-athlete. This disassociation includes the refusal of any financial or recruiting assistance, as well as other conditions, which the public report further details.•Release of three men’s basketball prospective student-athletes from their letters of intent (self-imposed by the university).
•Prohibition of all non-university personnel, including boosters, from traveling on football and men’s basketball charters; attending football and men’s basketball team practices; attending or participating in any way with university football and men’s basketball camps, including donation of funds; and having access to the sidelines and locker rooms for football and men’s basketball games. The public report further details appropriate exceptions for these limitations."

USC better think long and hard about appealing. They push this too hard and they may find their asses without any TV for the next two years as well.
Posted by BufordPuser
McNairy County, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
1297 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 12:16 am to
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No, are you saying USC will not appeal?





GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY.

Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16829 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 12:47 am to
this is pretty funny, a guy living in b.r all butt-hurt b/c USC is on probation for CHEATING.
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13252 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 5:26 am to
That's a lot of crap from the NCAA for 2 ineligible athletes in 2 different sports.

IMHO it has a lot more with the NCAA saying "You obstructed us, so frick you.".

Hard to say we didn't deserve something, i.e. forfeiture of 2004 and some scholarships, but 30 is
extreme.

Losing TV would be the death penalty though.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 5:40 am to
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That's a lot of crap from the NCAA for 2 ineligible athletes in 2 different sports.

IMHO it has a lot more with the NCAA saying "You obstructed us, so frick you.".


even those here admit that. This is part of the basis for appeal.

Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13252 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 6:16 am to
I'm not putting much faith or hope in that appeal process. At the end of the day, the NCAA isn't a "fair and balanced" organization, so why would they
legitimately entertain an appeal?

The fact that recruits have been showing up to workouts and declaring they'll stay at USC is very encouraging though.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 6:29 am to
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The fact that recruits have been showing up to workouts and declaring they'll stay at USC is very encouraging though.


Yes it is. All we can do is hope their minds don't change. they can say what they want about Lane and ooach O, but they'll do a great job recruiting the kids.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28100 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 6:33 am to
One of those two ineligible athletes won the Fricken Heisman...this shite isnt going away, and I am sorry believed Tanger when he said nothing much would happen, this high profile program's implosion is a breach of trust for NCAA football fans...The AD should be fired ASAP....
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 6:35 am to
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...The AD should be fired ASAP....


Many at SC would have been happy with that anytime in the last several years.
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13252 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 6:57 am to
Yeah, MG has got to go, no doubt.
Posted by dinosaur
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
1165 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:13 am to
The appeal will be difficult. The NCAA has its own rules and this is essentially cleaning house. The first step is an appeal to the organization itself. I just don't think they are going to get a lot of sympathy there. And oten, an appeal results in even sterner sanctions, especially if the appeal is considered to be an attempt to postpone the imposition of the penalty.
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:54 am to
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And oten, an appeal results in even sterner sanctions, especially if the appeal is considered to be an attempt to postpone the imposition of the penalty.
Do you have any examples of this happening because I don't think this is true. Once the penalties for a violation have been handed out, that's it. The appeals committee cannot make the penalty more harsh. Now if they uncover new violations, the infractions committee will start a new investigation and then more penalties could come, but that would be a totally new case and not something the appeals committee would handle.
Posted by SDwhodat
Member since Apr 2007
2651 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:18 am to
Why not appeal? I have a feeling based on reading the report that Reggie was doing everything he could to hide the fact that he was taking money for him and his family. He should definitely lose the Heisman, the school should vacate games in which he played; however, the extent of the future punishment is what gets me.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19643 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:20 am to
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Yeah, MG has got to go, no doubt


There's no question I hate USC but this is a serious question.

If MG is gone, don't you want the new AD to fire Kiffy? I can't believe any USC fan would want this child running loose with their football future. I'm content to watch him try and put out fires with his squirt gun full of gasoline but I hate you guys.
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:23 am to
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Why not appeal?
There is no reason not to, unless you don't feel like spending the money for attorneys. It can't get any worse, but they also have basically a 0% chance to get any schollies back, especially with how Kiffin and the AD are acting publicly. You could do it just as a part of due diligance and making sure you exhaust all possible options for lessening the blow. But again, there is no way they are going to change the penalty. Hell, the USC administration doesn't even understand what the hell just happened to them. They are absolutely clueless right now as to what kind of trouble they are in.
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:24 am to
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If MG is gone, don't you want the new AD to fire Kiffy?
If they get a new AD and he's worth a damn, he would have to fire Kiffin.
Posted by mtnhighTiger
Scottsdale, AZ
Member since Jan 2010
4476 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:45 am to
USC transferring juniors, seniors can play

LINK
Posted by Sleven
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
1061 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 11:13 am to
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USC transferring juniors, seniors can play


awesome. This was one of my biggest concerns. Those kids didn't ask for this and for some there hopes of going pro got a little dimmer. Not to mention I think that if you really want to hit USC hard let them lose their entire team. They won't be able to buy a team (no pun intended) if this happens.

The only problem is that it will be open season on their players. So you will probably get a lot of the same thing going on for their players
Posted by SDwhodat
Member since Apr 2007
2651 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 11:32 am to
No s*** Kiffen. You do deal with adversity. But in this case, it's damn I won't get to play for USC, where I wanted to. That sucks, but I guess I will go to Florida and play.
Posted by secfan123
beverly hills
Member since Jan 2010
9646 posts
Posted on 6/11/10 at 12:44 pm to
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Yes it is. All we can do is hope their minds don't change. they can say what they want about Lane and ooach O, but they'll do a great job recruiting the kids.


That's rich. Mr. Secondary Violation will have your asses back in front of the ncaa for his methods of 'recruiting the kids' By the way, you never responded to my acceptance of your bet. I'm in southern Alabama. IF USC goes to a BCS bowl in the next five years I'll meet you anywhere and kiss your arse (definitely can't go for the next two- I hope for your sake they have alot of luck in years 3-5. That'll be when the scholarship limitations REALLY start to hurt!)
This post was edited on 6/11/10 at 12:51 pm
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