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UPDATE in OP: Any baseball umpires here or baseball rules experts?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:44 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:44 am
Two scenarios from last nights district tournament for 10U
1- Runner at 1st. Batter hits very weak ball that bounces up and he runs into it. They called the batter out for touching the ball and allowed the runner to advance to 2nd. Was allowing the base runner to advance the right call?
2- Runner on first. Batter hits ball to SS. SS throws to 2B it's dropped to the ground. 2B then places glove flat on ground over the top of the ball. The ball is not "in" the glove until after the runner has arrived at 2B and is on the bag. Second baseman then picks up ball with the glove and shows the ump. The ump is in good position to see all the above. Runner at 2B safe or out?
Update: The ump that made the call in scenario 1 came up to me tonight prior to the game and made an apology. I thought that was a nice gesture and appreciated it.
1- Runner at 1st. Batter hits very weak ball that bounces up and he runs into it. They called the batter out for touching the ball and allowed the runner to advance to 2nd. Was allowing the base runner to advance the right call?
2- Runner on first. Batter hits ball to SS. SS throws to 2B it's dropped to the ground. 2B then places glove flat on ground over the top of the ball. The ball is not "in" the glove until after the runner has arrived at 2B and is on the bag. Second baseman then picks up ball with the glove and shows the ump. The ump is in good position to see all the above. Runner at 2B safe or out?
Update: The ump that made the call in scenario 1 came up to me tonight prior to the game and made an apology. I thought that was a nice gesture and appreciated it.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 10:20 pm
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Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:46 am to roadGator
1. I think so
2. definitely safe
2. definitely safe
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:46 am to roadGator
Not 100% sure here but I THINK....
Hitting the runner is a dead ball.
ETA: read it wrong. Safe. an umpire called him out? That's pretty elementary. Defensive player had no control of the ball.
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Was allowing the base runner to advance the right call?
Hitting the runner is a dead ball.
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Runner at 2B safe or out?
ETA: read it wrong. Safe. an umpire called him out? That's pretty elementary. Defensive player had no control of the ball.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:46 am to roadGator
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Was allowing the base runner to advance the right call?
no. if the batter ran into the ball while outside of the box, and on the field of play, it is a "dead ball" and the runner cannot advance.
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Runner at 2B safe or out?
this is strictly a judgement call on the ump's behalf. you may think that the 2b did not have posession but the ump may think otherwise.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:46 am to roadGator
1. Runner stays at first
2. Safe
2. Safe
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:47 am to roadGator
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1- Runner at 1st. Batter hits very weak ball that bounces up and he runs into it. They called the batter out for touching the ball and allowed the runner to advance to 2nd. Was allowing the base runner to advance the right call?
Was the runner at least half way to 2nd when the batter was called out?
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2- Runner on first. Batter hits ball to SS. SS throws to 2B it's dropped to the ground. 2B then places glove flat on ground over the top of the ball. The ball is not "in" the glove until after the runner has arrived at 2B and is on the bag. Second baseman then picks up ball with the glove and shows the ump. The ump is in good position to see all the above. Runner at 2B safe or out?
Safe. 2nd baseman did not demonstrate control of the ball until after the runner was on the bag.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:47 am to roadGator
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district tournament for 10U
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:47 am to roadGator
1. dead ball, runner back to first
2. runner safe
2. runner safe
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:47 am to RonFNSwanson
1. YES. Advancing was the right call.
2. SAFE. without a doubt, safe.
2. SAFE. without a doubt, safe.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:47 am to roadGator
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They called the batter out for touching the ball and allowed the runner to advance to 2nd. Was allowing the base runner to advance the right call?
Dead ball...runners cant advance
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2- Runner on first. Batter hits ball to SS. SS throws to 2B it's dropped to the ground. 2B then places glove flat on ground over the top of the ball. The ball is not "in" the glove until after the runner has arrived at 2B and is on the bag. Second baseman then picks up ball with the glove and shows the ump. The ump is in good position to see all the above. Runner at 2B safe or out?
Safe...he trapped the ball.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:48 am to colorchangintiger
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Was the runner at least half way to 2nd when the batter was called out?
No. No lead offs the batter touched the ball about 3 feet down the baseline.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:48 am to roadGator
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1- Runner at 1st. Batter hits very weak ball that bounces up and he runs into it. They called the batter out for touching the ball and allowed the runner to advance to 2nd. Was allowing the base runner to advance the right call?
Yes. The runner on first has to advance to allow the batter to take the base.
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2- Runner on first. Batter hits ball to SS. SS throws to 2B it's dropped to the ground. 2B then places glove flat on ground over the top of the ball. The ball is not "in" the glove until after the runner has arrived at 2B and is on the bag. Second baseman then picks up ball with the glove and shows the ump. The ump is in good position to see all the above. Runner at 2B safe or out?
Runner is safe. Ball has to be in the glove or hand of the fielder to tag the base, and in the glove to tag the runner. having your glove over the ball does not mean possesion.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:48 am to roadGator
1. Not positive, but I think the runner is supposed to go back to first
2.Runner should be safe. You must have control of the ball.
2.Runner should be safe. You must have control of the ball.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:49 am to elprez00
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Yes. The runner on first has to advance to allow the batter to take the base.
nope. that's why the ump will come out of his stance with hands flying "dead ball, batter's out"!!
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:49 am to roadGator
1. No. Dead ball.
2. Safe. Must be "in possession." LA softball rules used to have some weird sentence about "closure" of the glove.
I umpired like 10 years ago for the tan.
2. Safe. Must be "in possession." LA softball rules used to have some weird sentence about "closure" of the glove.
I umpired like 10 years ago for the tan.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:50 am to elprez00
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Yes. The runner on first has to advance to allow the batter to take the base.
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They called the batter out
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:50 am to oldcharlie8
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Yes. The runner on first has to advance to allow the batter to take the base.
nope. that's why the ump will come out of his stance with hands flying "dead ball, batter's out"!!
Okay, Ill agree with this. I change my opinion.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:51 am to Moustache
1. Safe and was advancing on force - therefore advances... advancing on non force - go back
2. safe.
2. safe.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:51 am to CyrustheVirus
This was the problem last night. I had folks saying safe/out and advance/go back. 
I expressed my opinion like this.
The runner should not be allowed to advance, it was a dead ball and you called it a dead ball. I still lost.
The fielder only showed you possession after the runner was safely on 2nd. Prior to that the ball was not controlled and was merely under the glove and not inside the glove. You saw him turn the glove over and control the ball after the runner was on second right? "Yes, he's still out".
I lost that one again.
I expressed my opinion like this.
The runner should not be allowed to advance, it was a dead ball and you called it a dead ball. I still lost.
The fielder only showed you possession after the runner was safely on 2nd. Prior to that the ball was not controlled and was merely under the glove and not inside the glove. You saw him turn the glove over and control the ball after the runner was on second right? "Yes, he's still out".
I lost that one again.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 9:52 am to roadGator
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1- Runner at 1st. Batter hits very weak ball that bounces up and he runs into it. They called the batter out for touching the ball and allowed the runner to advance to 2nd. Was allowing the base runner to advance the right call?
If a runner is hit by a hit ball in play that runner is out. Other runners go back as it is a dead ball.
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Runner on first. Batter hits ball to SS. SS throws to 2B it's dropped to the ground. 2B then places glove flat on ground over the top of the ball. The ball is not "in" the glove until after the runner has arrived at 2B and is on the bag. Second baseman then picks up ball with the glove and shows the ump. The ump is in good position to see all the above. Runner at 2B safe or out?
Runner at 2 is safe. The 2nd baseman has to have possession of the ball BEFORE the runner arrives at 2. Having his glove over a ball on the ground does not count as having possession.
<- Never been an ump but just finished my 7th season as a youth baseball coach.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 9:53 am
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