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re: UFC 214 - Jon Jones vs. Daniel Cormier for the LHW Championship - (7/29)
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:34 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:34 am to StrongBackWeakMind
I guess I dont understand the complaint about woodley. he said himself, he is a better version of GSP. GSP was lauded as some great entertaining fighter but his last 7 fights were decisions. he is doing what he needs to win and keep the belt.if you dont like it put someone up there that can beat him and take the belt. damien maia isnt gonna have an exciting fight with anyone.
you want to have an exciting fight let him whip up on nick diaz.
you want to have an exciting fight let him whip up on nick diaz.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 8:36 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:37 am to diat150
quote:That was a boring arse fight. He was hesitant to strike with Demian Maia. There's no way around it.
I guess I dont understand the complaint about woodley
quote:
he said himself, he is a better version of GSP
quote:Disagree.
damien maia isnt gonna have an exciting fight with anyone.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 8:38 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:49 am to StrongBackWeakMind
yeah i know hes too old, just wishful thinking thats all.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:55 am to diat150
in some of those fights gsp was looking for a finish on the ground.
just my opinion, but if woodley is a better version of gsp he would have taken maia down each round and avoided the sub, but clearly that didnt happen.
maia can have very entertaining fights, but hes not a striker and he wont develop some magical power for his puunches and kicks. now if he were ten years younger and he worked on explosivness to increase athletic ability that may be a different story. i like watching him fight because hes so one dimensional and he can beat many guys without taking too much damage.
just my opinion, but if woodley is a better version of gsp he would have taken maia down each round and avoided the sub, but clearly that didnt happen.
maia can have very entertaining fights, but hes not a striker and he wont develop some magical power for his puunches and kicks. now if he were ten years younger and he worked on explosivness to increase athletic ability that may be a different story. i like watching him fight because hes so one dimensional and he can beat many guys without taking too much damage.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:09 am to lsucoonass
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in some of those fights gsp was looking for a finish on the ground.
Rarely. Dan hardy is the one time I can think of. Once Matt Serra beat him, gsp went full safe mode in every way.
I don't know what gsp would have done vs Maia. His only similar matchups was Penn who was 50 lbs smaller and less of a threat on the ground and GSP greased his body up for that one.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 10:06 am to Maximus
Just tagging onto the thread here.
Saw YouTube clips of the Cormier KO and aftermath.
1. Glad to see Joe Rogan still there. If they can him it'll be like Madden retiring for me.
2. Where was Cormier's corner? Dude was pounded. Is staggering around confused and pissed for wrong reasons, and the only guys I saw were the Nevada Commission guys trying to hold hold him up and talk to him. Where are the 4-5 guys that walk in with each dude? Dana White shouldn't be the guy explaining to him that it wasn't stopped early you were out?
Saw YouTube clips of the Cormier KO and aftermath.
1. Glad to see Joe Rogan still there. If they can him it'll be like Madden retiring for me.
2. Where was Cormier's corner? Dude was pounded. Is staggering around confused and pissed for wrong reasons, and the only guys I saw were the Nevada Commission guys trying to hold hold him up and talk to him. Where are the 4-5 guys that walk in with each dude? Dana White shouldn't be the guy explaining to him that it wasn't stopped early you were out?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 10:16 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:The aftermath of that fight was a horrible look for the UFC IMHO. You had a concussed, seriously fricked up human, just stumbling and bumbling around with no real help for about 10 minutes with severe concussed brain issues.
Saw YouTube clips of the Cormier KO and aftermath.
1. Glad to see Joe Rogan still there. If they can him it'll be like Madden retiring for me.
2. Where was Cormier's corner? Dude was pounded. Is staggering around confused and pissed for wrong reasons, and the only guys I saw were the Nevada Commission guys trying to hold hold him up and talk to him. Where are the 4-5 guys that walk in with each dude? Dana White shouldn't be the guy explaining to him that it wasn't stopped early you were out?
As we cheer and go on with interviews and shite in a ring
Posted on 7/31/17 at 10:34 am to lsupride87
No real help?
I agree they shouldn't have interviewed him, but they have people in the ring to help injured fighters.
I agree they shouldn't have interviewed him, but they have people in the ring to help injured fighters.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:13 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Yes, no real help. Cormier should have been sent instantly to a hospital, or at least a dark room to rest and be evaluated
No real help?
I agree they shouldn't have interviewed him, but they have people in the ring to help injured fighters.
Instead, he was left to wonder around and be interviewed and all other shite for 10 minutes in a spotlighted ring after taking a shin and 15 punches to the head to the point of being knocked completely senseless
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
They have doctors there. They know what they are doing.
After the fight, they go backstage and receive medical treatment. They are sent to the hospital if necessary.
After the fight, they go backstage and receive medical treatment. They are sent to the hospital if necessary.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:24 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:And DC was actually held overnight at the hospital due to issues from suffering a major concussion.
After the fight, they go backstage and receive medical treatment. They are sent to the hospital if necessary.
I am sorry, when a fighter is ko'd, thats it. Keeping him in a ring with bright lights and all other shite for nearly 10 minutes is a joke.
We wont ever agree on that.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:25 am to lsupride87
Well thank goodness they have doctors there to monitor their condition.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:38 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:well, considering he was diagnosed with a major conccussion and stayed overnight in a hospital, I would say most doctors would agree being forced to stand and be in a crowed bright ring for nearly 10 minutes is not the best for the fighters health.
Well thank goodness they have doctors there to monitor their condition
But maybe some other MDs can chime in
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:51 am to lsupride87
Well you can rest assured that nothing will change, with the UFC or any combat sport. The concussed fighter will stick around for the post-fight technicalities and then go to the back for further medical evaluation.
ETA: If you get upset about a concussed fighter staying in the cage for the post-fight technicalities, this isn't the sport for you.
ETA: If you get upset about a concussed fighter staying in the cage for the post-fight technicalities, this isn't the sport for you.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:25 pm to lsupride87
You have to consider the setting
A quick evaluation such as a mace exam can be an adequate tool to use. We had to use it when mortar rounds impacted our base, if a SM was within a 25 meter radius they automatically received a mace exam.same thing for other blasts
Depending on status they may or may not be placed in a dark room with no lights on or no electronics etc
Now what specific tests/protocols are used for athletes I'm not totally sure
A quick evaluation such as a mace exam can be an adequate tool to use. We had to use it when mortar rounds impacted our base, if a SM was within a 25 meter radius they automatically received a mace exam.same thing for other blasts
Depending on status they may or may not be placed in a dark room with no lights on or no electronics etc
Now what specific tests/protocols are used for athletes I'm not totally sure
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:16 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:31 pm to castorinho
quote:Yep. That looks extremely fricked up. Literally blocking him from leaving the cage. I have no clue what strong, or anyone for that matter, can possibly argue that taking him straight to legit medical attention, instead of parading him around for post fight bullshite, isnt the right call.
here's a post fight video of DC fwiw
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:35 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Yep. That looks extremely fricked up. Literally blocking him from leaving the cage. I have no clue what strong, or anyone for that matter, can possibly argue that taking him straight to legit medical attention, instead of parading him around for post fight bullshite, isnt the right call.
perhaps they were blocking him from leaving so that the Dr in the ring can take a look.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:36 pm to diat150
quote:Did you watch the video?
perhaps they were blocking him from leaving so that the Dr in the ring can take a look.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:11 pm to lsupride87
It just made no sense. My main problem was with his corner people. Yes doctors are there, but he is confused and agitated. Seems the 3-4 people every guy has in the corner. Those are the ones he's familiar with, not the state guys. Those guys looked (rightfully so) scared of him. He was pissed and confused.
Rogan made the comment about interviewing a KO. He just should have had his guys there keeping him on the stool. He never got the ice to the neck or anything. Just all awkward. Dana was the main guy talking to him. Guess it'll take Dana getting dropped by a pissed off who isn't sure where he is to fix it. Lol
Rogan made the comment about interviewing a KO. He just should have had his guys there keeping him on the stool. He never got the ice to the neck or anything. Just all awkward. Dana was the main guy talking to him. Guess it'll take Dana getting dropped by a pissed off who isn't sure where he is to fix it. Lol
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