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re: UFC 129: George St. Pierre vs. Jake Shields
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:38 am to TigerLunatik
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:38 am to TigerLunatik
its just something I hate to see when fighters look like they aren't even trying to win but just survive. Everyone knew Shields wasn't going to win the fight on the feet and he would have to get GSP to the ground in some way. You are probably right that it would take to much energy to get GSP to the ground but that's the only place Shields could win the fight and I would have liked to have seen him put more effort in taking GSP down. This was a terrible matchup for shields. The only type of fighter that can beat GSP is someone good on the feet with knockout power and can stuff some of his shots. On a side note GSP didn't look that good even before the eye incident. In the past GSP wouldn't have taken that many shots to the face from someone with that type of striking.
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:38 am to KBeezy
quote:Are you serious?
Why do you think This?
For one the safety of the fighter by the ref/corner. Of course the organiztation and fans wanted him to continue(Doc and hometown crowd).
People for some reason think this fight was close. It really wasn't and with that type of injury these guys had a legit excuse to stop it. He would have had to KO Aldo to win the fight.
Supposedly this was the biggest MMA fight in North American history(whatever that means), this sport will always be known for it's popularity and start in Japan. If that "thing" would've popped during the fight, that would've been a terrible outcome for the sport overall. The media/public/anaylyst would've ate Danny White and UFC alive.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:45 am to smash williams
MMA is still walking a tightrope, one bad incident with an injury will stain the sport forever. The UFC is still fighting out of its ugly shadow from the past and trying to show people it is a sport and not a human cockfight. The UFC needs to be sanctioned in every state and have a champion become mainstream level and become a household name.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:52 am to KingwoodLsuFan
I thought he was just being overly cautious to not make any mistakes and was feeling shields out, but even watching it with my daughter, she made the comment a few times that the were doing more "standing" than fighting. GSP is just so seasoned now in title fights that he can feel the other fighter out for 2 rounds and then attack ... but, since he was unable to do that tonight, it showed a small chink in the armor and he would have to say he won't be doing that as much anymore. Also, something we have not discussed here and something I didn't realize until before the fight was that GSP had a 4" reach advantage. I really thought that was another reason for shields not being able to get inside for the take downs ... All of that said, I don't think we ever see the Anderson Silva/GSP fight ... i think they are going to keep Silva up at 185 and 205 and then try to develop some guys from the 155 class to come up and challenge GSP, or maybe some of the guys from strikeforce at 155-170
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:01 am to TigerLunatik
GSP has been much more cautious in his fights ever since he got tko'd by serra. There are no lightweights that could deal with the size and length of GSP.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:05 am to smash williams
quote:
Are you serious?
Yeah I am serious broski and your comments show a real lack of knowledge in the fight game.
It was not a serious injury, it was a hematoma.
A legit excuse to stop a fight is not because you think something looks grotesque. That injury is was not any threat to the man for permanent damage beyond what is normal for combat sport, and it did not put him in any abnormal danger otherwise. The doctor knows this, and this is why he didn't stop it
The ref and corner basically have the same job when stopping fights. They will stop it if they deem the fighter unable to defend himself. Obviously they were right in not stopping it because not only did he prove he could defend himself, but dominated the final round
The fight was close and then it wasn't close. Aldo won 4 rounds to Marks 1 IMO, but mark had a 10-8 round. At least one judge scored it exactly as I did (48-46 aldo)
Posted on 5/1/11 at 3:17 am to KBeezy
quote:
KBeezy
good call on GSP being completely dominant. I thought it would be a little more competitive, but I also didn't expect Shields to just stand there for 5 rounds and trade strikes with GSP either.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 3:42 am to KBeezy
quote:You're strictly thinking as a fighter. If you don't think McCartney should have stopped the fight and gone to the Doc once he saw the swelling emerge that fast than you're kidding yourself. If that shite would've burst in fight we would be talking about a major catastrophe for the whole sport as a whole. Not the Net and the kids, they would love that shite, I'm talking about the public and the politicians. I'm a pure boxing/combat fan being a Marine but to think this type of sport is suitable for the public and everyday people is a little different IMO. Btw, my gym is City Boxing in San Diego...downtown.
Yeah I am serious broski and your comments show a real lack of knowledge in the fight game. It was not a serious injury, it was a hematoma.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 4:14 am to smash williams
quote:
ou're strictly thinking as a fighter. If you don't think McCartney should have stopped the fight and gone to the Doc once he saw the swelling emerge that fast than you're kidding yourself. If that shite would've burst in fight we would be talking about a major catastrophe for the whole sport as a whole. Not the Net and the kids, they would love that shite, I'm talking about the public and the politicians. I'm a pure boxing/combat fan being a Marine but to think this type of sport is suitable for the public and everyday people is a little different IMO. Btw, my gym is City Boxing in San Diego...downtown.
you mean like they blew up and talked about the kimbo-thompson fight when thompson ear exploded. by the way it wasnt talked about and over a million people watched the fight
Posted on 5/1/11 at 9:09 am to smash williams
Who's in the Army that you're talking about? That's what I was confused about.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 9:12 am to smash williams
Good article on GSP's lack of killer instinct
Fight of the Night -- Jose Aldo vs. Mark Hominick
Submission of the Night -- Pablo Garza
Knockout of the Night -- Lyoto Machida
129k bonus
Fight of the Night -- Jose Aldo vs. Mark Hominick
Submission of the Night -- Pablo Garza
Knockout of the Night -- Lyoto Machida
129k bonus
This post was edited on 5/1/11 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/1/11 at 9:35 am to SmackDaniels
I think because of how GSP got real conservative from mid 3rd round on (after his sight was basically gone) people are forgetting the amount of damage he inflicted early. The straight jab he landed that threw Jake backwards was a HUGE shot. Then the spinning back kick to the chest and the kick that put Jake on the mat.
Could GSP have rushed in at that point to try and finish? Yeah probably, but he was fighting a guy known for both a rock hard chin/fast recovery and a submission specialist. Being cautios in that position is not only understandable but advised.
If he commits on that knockdown and Jake gets a heel hook or anything of the sort you guys are on here talking about how he should have known better.
Not to sound arrogant but some of you are showing you lack of MMA knowledge.
Could GSP have rushed in at that point to try and finish? Yeah probably, but he was fighting a guy known for both a rock hard chin/fast recovery and a submission specialist. Being cautios in that position is not only understandable but advised.
If he commits on that knockdown and Jake gets a heel hook or anything of the sort you guys are on here talking about how he should have known better.
Not to sound arrogant but some of you are showing you lack of MMA knowledge.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 9:42 am to pitbull20
Dana is looking to make GSP vs Diaz. Pretty interesting match up. Diaz has better boxing and is extremely good off of his back. Tough fight for GSP.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 9:47 am to Shoulderchoke
Very interesting matchup and one worth watching. I think Diaz can do some damage with his hands and could put himself in position to get GSP down. Where that would go is anybody's guess. To beat GSP you have to be able to control the pace... haven't seen anyone do that in quite some time. 
Posted on 5/1/11 at 10:04 am to pitbull20
quote:
Not to sound arrogant but some of you are showing you lack of MMA knowledge.
Everyone has to learn somewhere. Think GSP had a tremendous fight all things considered. Fighting the last 3 rounds with one eye.....its amazing to me that he won those rounds against a guy the caliber of Jake Shields. He did exactly as he should of. Not his fault if fans don't understand that. I will fault Shields for not seizing the opportunity though. Somebody surely got the message to his corner that GSP was blind in one eye...he kept saying it between every round.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 10:09 am to Shoulderchoke
quote:
Dana is looking to make GSP vs Diaz
I know Dana owns Diaz's SF contract but there would be some renegotiating to be done there before it could happen (it should happen if GSP won't move up to MHW). Diaz's boxing clause and the Showtime TV deal might be issues.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 10:13 am to Palm Beach Tiger
quote:
Everyone has to learn somewhere. Think GSP had a tremendous fight all things considered. Fighting the last 3 rounds with one eye.....its amazing to me that he won those rounds against a guy the caliber of Jake Shields. He did exactly as he should of. Not his fault if fans don't understand that. I will fault Shields for not seizing the opportunity though. Somebody surely got the message to his corner that GSP was blind in one eye...he kept saying it between every round.
I agree on every point, and again I am not trying to be a know it all because I am not the most knowledgeable for sure. I have family in the sport at a high level that teach me something new everytime i watch a fight with them.
On the Shields point... I was telling my wife the same thing in the 4th and 5th. It was clear that he was able to finally do some real damage to GSP due to the lack of sight, it is a mystery to me why he did not press it further. The hard right he landed on GSP that busted him open was a clear example of how bad it was for George. He never saw that one coming.
This post was edited on 5/1/11 at 10:15 am
Posted on 5/1/11 at 10:19 am to pitbull20
Posted on 5/1/11 at 10:43 am to pitbull20
quote:
GSP would be at a severe disadvantage in that fight. Anderson would have the reach to stay away and do damage at will. Fights are all about match ups and that is just not as good of one as people want to think. GSP might prove me wrong but I don't see him looking for that fight,regardless he is one of the greatest of all time and deserves all the respect in the world.
Not to mention that Anderson walks around at a weight that is a nice sized Light heavy. I actually think he could compete at Heavy. Silva would just be a horrid matchup for GSP. Of coarse Sonnen tore Silva's arse up with a game plan not to dis similar to GSP's I just don't think GSP would have the size and reach to do the same.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 10:58 am to Palm Beach Tiger
agree.
people just see 2 dominant fighters in similar weight classes and think "great fight". Silva is closer to light heavy than GSP to middle.
Not saying it couldn't happen, but it would be unlikely.
people just see 2 dominant fighters in similar weight classes and think "great fight". Silva is closer to light heavy than GSP to middle.
Not saying it couldn't happen, but it would be unlikely.
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