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re: UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin. It's going to get ugly!
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:15 am to tigerwoods
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:15 am to tigerwoods
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shouldve been stopped in the 1st imo. brock took ALOT of punches w/o defending himself
for the record, both of these are wrong
most of carwain's punches when brock was on the ground were hitting arm, and after each flurry brock was pretty good about trying to push him away (even though he was turtled for a while)
punches with no power hitting arms = worthless
the only punches carwain was landing were when he'd back off and just attempt regular gnp bombs (which means no stopping of da fight)
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Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:18 am to PortCityTiger24
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He flat out 10-8 dominated Lesner in the 1st.
disagree
it was just a normal rocking and some gnp with most punches not landing or having top power
and lesnar got out of it before the end of the round
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:20 am to PortCityTiger24
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Fedor wants no part of Lesnar.
doubtful
fedor has been away from his prime for a few years and lesnar is entering his prime, but i doubt fedor is scared of brock
he's faced similar fighters (and won) in his career
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:22 am to Michael J Cocks
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fwiw you usually are pretty funny to read the following day of a UFC fight. I always glance over these threads and you are usually the main dude that stands out.
ETA: in a bad way.
the driveman served this fool up some knowledge in another thread right before the fight. Classic Driveman pwnage.
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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disagree
it was just a normal rocking and some gnp with most punches not landing or having top power
and lesnar got out of it before the end of the round
what is a 10-8 if thats not? I mean brock did literally nothing, got killed on the feet and was nearly stopped on the ground for a solid minute.
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:33 am to Maximus
it's just to me, a typical gnp round will end up with about as many legit shots, and nobody really calls for 10-8 in those
i really get annoyed when guys land baby punches on arms for 20-45 straight seconds and people act like the shots are booming. it's one of my pet peeves
now my thoughts on the 10-8 scoring may be different or wrong, but to me when i compare what carwain did on the ground last night to say, a classical matt hughes round, it isn't that different to me in terms of damage. and few people ever called for 10-8s with those
i also think carwain tapped as much for being gassed as much as he was really going out. i think his need to breathe heavily killed him. he needs to drop weight and get better cardio b/c he's only beating brock with a KO
i really get annoyed when guys land baby punches on arms for 20-45 straight seconds and people act like the shots are booming. it's one of my pet peeves
now my thoughts on the 10-8 scoring may be different or wrong, but to me when i compare what carwain did on the ground last night to say, a classical matt hughes round, it isn't that different to me in terms of damage. and few people ever called for 10-8s with those
i also think carwain tapped as much for being gassed as much as he was really going out. i think his need to breathe heavily killed him. he needs to drop weight and get better cardio b/c he's only beating brock with a KO
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
That was without a doubt 10-8. He was completely dominated in the 1st. Seeing him turtle up was the highlight of my week.
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
I had it 10-8.... Also I can assure you Fedor does not fear Brock. After last night, I'm not even sure Brock could beat Fedor.
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Double edged sword there. Carwin ain't beating Brock by losing weight IMO. With that he would lose punching power and Brock would take him down easier. I feel last night was the best shot Carwin is ever going to have at Brock, the stars aligned and he still ended up losing. It will only be harder for him to beat Brock from here on out. That first round was a 10 - 8 in his favor though. He def. hurt Brock in that first round. That uppercut he landed was bad and he spent most of the round dominating Lesnar position wise and with the GNP. From a scoring standpoint it had to be a 10 - 8.
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:39 am to JJ27
brock turtled b/c he's never been in that position before. for all of his training he's still raw as frick
his standup is really bad and he doesn't really defend himself well from guard
i give credit to carwain for rocking him though. it's not just brock's inexperience. carwain definitely did a lot of damage. i just think most of his time spent on brock was wasted
i know he was trying to finish the fight, but he just did a poor job of it. then he wasted too much energy continuing to complete his knockdown instead of going to regular gnp (which was what was doing real damage intermittently)
his standup is really bad and he doesn't really defend himself well from guard
i give credit to carwain for rocking him though. it's not just brock's inexperience. carwain definitely did a lot of damage. i just think most of his time spent on brock was wasted
i know he was trying to finish the fight, but he just did a poor job of it. then he wasted too much energy continuing to complete his knockdown instead of going to regular gnp (which was what was doing real damage intermittently)
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:41 am to Shoulderchoke
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After last night, I'm not even sure Brock could beat Fedor.
shite brock has a good chance against anyone b/c of his size, strength, and wrestling
i give brock odds against fedor right now due to fedor's lazy groundwork lately
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:43 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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Carwin ain't beating Brock by losing weight IMO.
carwain is only beating brock by KO or a lucky sub (which would come after he rocks brock)
when they go on the ground, brock is going to dominate him no matter what (unless, as said before and seen last night, brock is rocked)
it is all about his huge right connecting
he needs to be able to fight 3-4 rounds to give him more opportunity to land those concrete hands
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I feel last night was the best shot Carwin is ever going to have at Brock, the stars aligned
dude
lesnar's standup is still horrible
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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carwain is only beating brock by KO or a lucky sub (which would come after he rocks brock)
when they go on the ground, brock is going to dominate him no matter what (unless, as said before and seen last night, brock is rocked)
it is all about his huge right connecting
he needs to be able to fight 3-4 rounds to give him more opportunity to land those concrete hands
Brock just missed that opening take down on Carwin. Had he landed that, no one would have ever seen Carwin land all the shots on Brock. If he gets smaller, as Brock gets back to his normal size, he is just going to make it easier for Brock to take him down at will.
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I feel last night was the best shot Carwin is ever going to have at Brock, the stars aligned
dude
lesnar's standup is still horrible
Dude, Lesnar came in under his usual weight after a year off due to an illness that damn near killed him. Carwin landed his big shot that his whole gameplan was based on and then ended up GNPing Brock for at least a couple of minutes. What more could Carwin possibly hope for in his favor going into a fight with Lesnar???
Posted on 7/4/10 at 11:52 am to Palm Beach Tiger
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he is just going to make it easier for Brock to take him down at will.
brock is going to take him down at a good rate even if carwain stays at his current size. brock is a better wrestler and i'd wager he's still a bit stronger. carwain is not going to change this
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What more could Carwin possibly hope for in his favor going into a fight with Lesnar???
lasting more than 3/4 of a round to attempt to land another big right and rock lesnar again?
Posted on 7/4/10 at 1:24 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
I agree, that was Carwin's best case scenario. If they fight again you have a normal sized lesnar with at least a years worth of experience or more. Carwin may never get another shot like he did yesterday.
Posted on 7/4/10 at 2:46 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
My take on the Lesnar fight, without sifting through all the other pages:
That fight, had it featured anyone else, would have been stopped in the 1st. Because it was Lesnar and a title defense, I believe the fight was allowed to continue. Too many legit blows were being landed without credible defense by Lesnar (and I don't consider nearly curling up in a fetal position with your hands hiding your face intelligently defending oneself).
Also, Lesnar was totally exposed on his back. He couldn't even muster a passable guard defense. Didn't look like he had an idea what to do with a fighter on top of him for once. Was readily willing to let an attacker pass (fortunately for him, Carwin didn't seem interested/able to improve on his position).
Additionally, Akiyama is the posterboy for what's wrong with judo now. All of those beautiful throws only to put himself into poor position after position and lose via a triangle choke? Are you kidding me?
Didn't get to see the other fights.
That fight, had it featured anyone else, would have been stopped in the 1st. Because it was Lesnar and a title defense, I believe the fight was allowed to continue. Too many legit blows were being landed without credible defense by Lesnar (and I don't consider nearly curling up in a fetal position with your hands hiding your face intelligently defending oneself).
Also, Lesnar was totally exposed on his back. He couldn't even muster a passable guard defense. Didn't look like he had an idea what to do with a fighter on top of him for once. Was readily willing to let an attacker pass (fortunately for him, Carwin didn't seem interested/able to improve on his position).
Additionally, Akiyama is the posterboy for what's wrong with judo now. All of those beautiful throws only to put himself into poor position after position and lose via a triangle choke? Are you kidding me?
Didn't get to see the other fights.
Posted on 7/4/10 at 2:49 pm to shutterspeed
Carwin's thoughts from this morning:
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“The game plan last night was to be patient and let the fight come to you,” Carwin wrote Sunday on his blog at LINK “When I had him in trouble, the ref (kept) saying he was going to stop it and then towards the end of the (first round), my body began to seize up. In between rounds I could not move my legs and had what felt like a whole body cramp. My cardio was fine, but my body was not. What can you do? You have to stand up and face your opponent.”
The second round was a much different story. Lesnar scored a takedown early, moved to mount briefly and then jumped to the side to submit Carwin with an arm-triangle choke at 2:19.
“Heading into the second, I knew I (needed) to finish the fight or I was going to be in trouble,” Carwin wrote. “Much like the champion he is, I am sure Brock was thinking the same thing. I had zero takedown defense, as my legs were dead to me and the rest is, as they say, history.”
Posted on 7/4/10 at 3:19 pm to shutterspeed
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That fight, had it featured anyone else, would have been stopped in the 1st
Randy Couture?
Posted on 7/4/10 at 3:20 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
I was taling about Munoz fighting the day walker not Wandy.
Posted on 7/4/10 at 3:21 pm to Maximus
No way the fight shouldve been stopped. They need to stop with the pussification of MMA
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