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Posted on 1/18/11 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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ed reed?
I can't really remember Ed Reed being as big of a force as Troy is at the LOS. Never timed a snap count up, jumped over the line, and made the tackle. Hell if anyone remembers the 2005 season and the AFC championship game at Denver, Troy was jumping over pulling gaurds trying to cut block him and making tackles. There's plenty more examples too.
Ed Reed's instinct's taking over
Posted on 1/18/11 at 1:53 pm to bomber77
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He's still a great player no doubt. Im just saying that the physical pounding he takes and his age is catching up with him some.
Oh got ya. I'd agree with you on this. He does seem to be getting injured more often, which won't help with age.
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BTW, as much as Ive always hated the fricking Steelers I hate the Jets more. Good Luck!
I never thought I'd see this type of post from you. I'll relay the message to Swag Tomlin.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 1:58 pm to KillerNut9
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I can't really remember Ed Reed being as big of a force as Troy is at the LOS
on punt blocks, he was haha
but TP has never come close to reed's pass defense, either
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There's plenty more examples too.
and what troy does (run support) is more commonly found. elite pass coverage from the FS position is rare. elite run stoppers at the SS position are common as hell
Posted on 1/18/11 at 1:58 pm to KillerNut9
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Ed Reed's instinct's taking over
there are so many clips of TP being beaten in pass coverage they aren't even youtube-worthy
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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um
ed reed?
Um, obviously I disagree. Question: if you were forced to line one of the two up at DE for an entire game, whose chances at success would you like better? To me, TP possesses the kind of universal applicability that you just don't see anymore because athletes are so highly conditioned to their respective positions. And yes, as stated, the Steelers' defense would be a shell without him flying all over the field.
And that's just one of his many attributes, Polamolecules aside. Do yourself a favor this weekend. Just watch him, no one else. See how fast he can cover the field, adjust to the offense, change positions and scare the hell out of the offense. Reed is an excellent player, but he can't do everything TP can.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, they are two different types of players. I'll admit Reed is better in pass defense (even though I think Troy has had some pretty unbelievable INTs). But I haven't seen ever seen a SS be as versatile as Troy.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there are so many clips of TP being beaten in pass coverage they aren't even youtube-worthy
Disagree, but anything I say will obviously look biased so I'm not going to get into it.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:18 pm to blueboy
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I know he'll never get it (in favor of a QB, of course
because QBs are by far the most important players in the NFL.
Take Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers off their teams and they all miss the playoffs. Take Polamalu off the Steelers and they aren't as good, but they are still one of the best teams in the league.
You'd have to be an idiot to think a safety is more valuable than a top notch QB.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:20 pm to blueboy
Ronnie Lott disagrees.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:25 pm to DelU249
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ed reed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Troy Pol.
enjoy the view from your couch Ed sincerely,
Troy
This post was edited on 1/18/11 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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did you limit your response to strong safeties, let alone secondary players?
I started the thread. It's a statement, not a response. Your opinion differs from mine. We know that now.
And yes, it's limited to SS. I would consider R. Woodson or D. Green the best corner (in my lifetime) and Ronnie Lott as the best FS.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:40 pm to blueboy
Lott played Strong Safety with the Raiders, fwiw.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:47 pm to 1ranter1
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because QBs are by far the most important players in the NFL.
Take Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers off their teams and they all miss the playoffs. Take Polamalu off the Steelers and they aren't as good, but they are still one of the best teams in the league.
You'd have to be an idiot to think a safety is more valuable than a top notch QB.
I don't equate "league MVP" with a position without which a team cannot snap the ball. That's by design. It doesn't make the best of them the best player in the NFL, every single year. I agree that they make better poster boys, bu it doesn't mean they're better just because their positions are essential for ANY team, let alone the elite teams.
IMO, TP is the best player in the NFL, and I disagree that the Steeleers would still be "one of the best teams" in the NFL without him. I think they'd struggle to get a winning season without him, dough-headed date-rape boy notwithstanding.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:51 pm to Sophandros
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Lott played Strong Safety with the Raiders, fwiw.
He made the NFL's All Time Team as a FS, fwIw.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:52 pm to blueboy
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league MVP
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TP is the best player in the NFL
it isn't the best player award. It is the Most VALUABLE Player. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers are all more valuable. Besides maybe the Pats, none of those teams would have a winning record without them. Whether it is by design or not, their value is much much greater than Palamalu's.
This post was edited on 1/18/11 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 1/18/11 at 2:58 pm to blueboy
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I disagree that the Steeleers would still be "one of the best teams" in the NFL without him. I think they'd struggle to get a winning season without him
This statement is just a fail. The absense of one defensive player no matter how good cant cost you 4 games.
Posted on 1/18/11 at 3:05 pm to Tommy Patel
Ed Reed: 128 games 498 tackles 414 solo tackles 10 forced fumbles 5 sacks 112 passes deflected 54 interceptions for 1,438 yards and 6 touchdowns (8 total defensive touchdowns) a special teams touchdown
Troy Polamalu: 107 games 515 tackles 393 solo 7 forced fumbles 8 sacks 79 passes deflected 27 interceptions for 328 yards and 2 touchdowns (3 total defensive touchdowns)
Troy Polamaulu has also missed 21 games in his career due to injury...Ed Reed has missed 16 games
they were only drafted a year apart and their is not a big gap between Troy and Ed in the types of stats that Troy is supposed to be superior in.
When it comes to pass coverage...ed reed completely leaves troy in the dust...same in TDs
Troy Polamalu: 107 games 515 tackles 393 solo 7 forced fumbles 8 sacks 79 passes deflected 27 interceptions for 328 yards and 2 touchdowns (3 total defensive touchdowns)
Troy Polamaulu has also missed 21 games in his career due to injury...Ed Reed has missed 16 games
they were only drafted a year apart and their is not a big gap between Troy and Ed in the types of stats that Troy is supposed to be superior in.
When it comes to pass coverage...ed reed completely leaves troy in the dust...same in TDs
This post was edited on 1/18/11 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 1/18/11 at 3:10 pm to 1ranter1
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it isn't the best player award. It is the Most VALUABLE Player. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers are all more valuable. Besides maybe the Pats, none of those teams would have a winning record without them. Whether it is by design or not, their value is much much greater than Palamalu's.
And it's "NFL MVP," not "best QB in the league" or "best guy without whom a team cannot put the ball in play." I know that they're pretty much synonymous these days, but as far as the entire league goes, personally, I watch because of players like TP, not the latest poster-boy QB. I simply think he has more pure athletic talent than any of the QB's. But as I said, the league values it's marquis offensive skill players, and I don't expect the MVP to go to anyone but a QB for that reason, not because they have more talent or play at a higher level.
As for the Steelers w/o TP, I stand by what I said. If they lost him, they would not be a contender.
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