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Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:25 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:25 am to Epic Cajun
I would be fine with two feet down with possession. That's it. It would result in more fumbles but it would clear up the "what is a catch?" issue.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:26 am to NorthGAVol
He gets control of the ball after the defender deflects it a little. At this point, the ball is in both hands near his chest.
He then puts the ball in one hand and moves the ball away from his chest. WHY ELSE would he be doing this, unless he was trying to reach out and score.
He's one of the best receivers in the league. Top 3 or 4, for sure. In my opinion, he knows where he is on the field at that moment.
That's a catch. I don't care what rule you want to apply. A football move was made.
He then puts the ball in one hand and moves the ball away from his chest. WHY ELSE would he be doing this, unless he was trying to reach out and score.
He's one of the best receivers in the league. Top 3 or 4, for sure. In my opinion, he knows where he is on the field at that moment.
That's a catch. I don't care what rule you want to apply. A football move was made.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:27 am to Salmon
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question:
if the ref that made the call on the field never saw the ball pop out, but once it was clear it did on replay, could he have told the review ref that he never saw the ball come loose
and if that is the case, could that remove the reviews refs "judgment call" over ruling the field refs call?
obviously this is just speculation
I'm not sure the discussions that happened. I know the head ref went and talked to the side judge who made the call. I'd imagine he told him what he saw.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:27 am to BayouBengals03
It pisses me off that during the challenge, this angle was only shown once during the review and it was shown in real time speed.
They kept showing the other angle, which blocks the tripping and instead focused on the movement of the ball.
The vine I posted showed a much clearer picture of just how much control Dez had over the football.
Oh well. Just another punch to the gut I can add to my Cowboys fandom.
They kept showing the other angle, which blocks the tripping and instead focused on the movement of the ball.
The vine I posted showed a much clearer picture of just how much control Dez had over the football.
Oh well. Just another punch to the gut I can add to my Cowboys fandom.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:28 am to BayouBengals03
40 pages for this really? 
It's not a catch by the rules of the game. Not that hard to grasp.
It's not a catch by the rules of the game. Not that hard to grasp.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:29 am to NorthGAVol
If dez uses his right hand/arm to additionally secure the ball and not brace himself for the fall I think don't any of us are having this conversation about whether this is a catch or not.
Eta: think its a catch BTW. He clearly makes the decision to pull his right arm away prior to the and retains control of the ball in the left arm as his body turns towards goal. His elbow hits after the two steps and then ball dislodges.
Eta: think its a catch BTW. He clearly makes the decision to pull his right arm away prior to the and retains control of the ball in the left arm as his body turns towards goal. His elbow hits after the two steps and then ball dislodges.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:29 am to RollDatRoll
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It's not a catch by the rules of the game. Not that hard to grasp.
What rule? Please, enlighten us.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:38 am to BayouBengals03
Here's a nearly identical play Bryant made in week 7 vs the Giants. He catches this one and comes down around the 6 or 7 yard line rather than the 4 or the 5 like he did against GB.
Takes a couple of steps, shifts the ball to his left and stretches toward the pylon. The ball comes bouncing out as it hit the ground. The call was originally ruled a TD but was called back at marked at the 1 yardline instead.
Fast forward to 2:40
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Takes a couple of steps, shifts the ball to his left and stretches toward the pylon. The ball comes bouncing out as it hit the ground. The call was originally ruled a TD but was called back at marked at the 1 yardline instead.
Fast forward to 2:40
LINK
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:39 am to NorthGAVol
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Here's a nearly identical play
that wasn't even close to being identical
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:40 am to BayouBengals03
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What rule? Please, enlighten us.
Trolling a 40 page thread is weak. Both the NFL and Pereira have explained the play ad nauseum.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:40 am to Salmon
I know there was not much difference but did the ref move up to mark ball where his right forearm & elbow hit ground or where his left hand with ball hit little farther up but closer to where ref was.
I did not see play live, but he should have been marked down where right elbow hit ground (before booth started review). I wanted to see if ref on field initially tried to give him that last attempt to extend ball or if he saw elbow and Forearm go down go down first.
I did not see play live, but he should have been marked down where right elbow hit ground (before booth started review). I wanted to see if ref on field initially tried to give him that last attempt to extend ball or if he saw elbow and Forearm go down go down first.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:41 am to NorthGAVol
The only difference there is that I could argue he wasn't "going to the ground" as he made the catch. He caught it, took a step or two, then was tackled.
It wasn't as much one fluid motion, as was the play yesterday.
However, I still maintain that yesterday's play was a catch. He secured the ball and made a football move.
It wasn't as much one fluid motion, as was the play yesterday.
However, I still maintain that yesterday's play was a catch. He secured the ball and made a football move.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:41 am to Salmon
How so? Obviously, he didn't get tripped but not sure what else was different.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:43 am to NorthGAVol
well for one he was obviously in control the entire time and was being tackled, not falling down
and 2...that was a clear, 100%, without a doubt "football move"
plus he took 3 full steps
and 2...that was a clear, 100%, without a doubt "football move"
plus he took 3 full steps
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:44 am to arrakis
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Trolling a 40 page thread is weak. Both the NFL and Pereira have explained the play ad nauseum.
quote:
When a catch is made by a receiver who comes down with both feet on the ground, the "football move" would be: stretching for a first down, diving out-of-bounds or running with the ball. If the "football move" is accomplished, and the receiver is then hit and the ball comes out, it is ruled a catch and fumble, instead of an incomplete forward pass.
This isn't exactly completely telling, because the football move and the contact by the defender are almost simultaneous.
However, it certainly leaves for some gray area in the rule book. A stretch for the end zone was made.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:54 am to boom roasted
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I would be fine with two feet down with possession. That's it. It would result in more fumbles but it would clear up the "what is a catch?" issue.
I would be on board with this, probably...however, I think the issue with this is that most of the time when a receiver goes to the ground they will be in contact with another defender...if ball comes out, then what? Always down by contact? I'm not sure if I like that option either.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:09 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:The problem with the 'Boys argument is that they say they can tell he was stretching for the end zone and that anyone saying he was just falling is wrong because you can't read his mind. Well to believe he was stretching for the end zone you have to admit you are trying to read his mind. Just like bad officiating, it goes both ways.
A stretch for the end zone was made.
Bottom line, you don't like the rule then advocate a change but it's the rule now so dwi.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:12 pm to goldenbadger08
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The problem with the 'Boys argument is that they say they can tell he was stretching for the end zone and that anyone saying he was just falling is wrong because you can't read his mind. Well to believe he was stretching for the end zone you have to admit you are trying to read his mind. Just like bad officiating, it goes both ways.
I think he was stretching for the end zone, but that's not the point.
If there is any doubt whether he was or wasn't, you can't overturn.
The call on the field was a catch. People seem to be forgetting that. You need 100% indisputable evidence (under the current rules, which I think are flawed, but that's an argument for another day) to overturn the call on the field. The fact that they can't be sure whether or not he is making an attempt at reaching for the end zone is all you need to uphold the ruling on the field.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:14 pm to goldenbadger08
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they say they can tell he was stretching for the end zone and that anyone saying he was just falling is wrong because you can't read his mind. Well to believe he was stretching for the end zone you have to admit you are trying to read his mind.
Ahhh, so what you're saying is that it's "disputable"
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:16 pm to BayouBengals03
Well the NFL's head of officiating thought there was 100% indisputable evidence that he lost control of the ball going to the grown and according to the rules if the ground knocks the ball lose it is incomplete. So complain all you want about the rule but you are you and he's the National Football League's Head of Officiating.
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