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re: Top 10 NFL playoff QB's, the way we should look at it
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:06 am to TulaneTigerFan
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:06 am to TulaneTigerFan
quote:It actually completely disregards losses.
The entire premise is ranking QBs by wins or losses with no consideration to actual performance. It's terrible
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Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:06 am to ballscaster
Oh sorry, just wins. Still terrible
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:08 am to ballscaster
quote:Not quite, just the QBs who have been on the top 10 most successful teams based on your calculations.
Here's your top ten playoff quarterbacks of all time
They're not one in the same.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:09 am to TTsTowel
quote:This is exactly right. Citing playoff record alone is to say that winning in the wild card round and losing in the divisional round is somehow better than getting a bye and losing in the divisional round, when in fact they are essentially exactly the same.
I feel like earning a bye week in the playoffs should get some players like Peyton Manning more praise. That's pretty much like earning a win during the first round of the playoffs.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:13 am to shel311
Kurt Warner throwing for 377 yards, 3 TDs and a 112 rating in a loss - 0 points
Terry Bradshaw throwing for 103 yards, 0 TDs, 2 interceptions and a rating of 46.8 in a win - 1 point
The way we should see it
Terry Bradshaw throwing for 103 yards, 0 TDs, 2 interceptions and a rating of 46.8 in a win - 1 point
The way we should see it
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 12:14 am
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:14 am to ballscaster
quote:Yea, I mean people like to rag on Peyton Manning for going "one and done" in the playoffs, but most of the time it happened after he earned a bye during the first week. If we fixed his, and any other quarterback's, playoff record to include byes as wins, how would everyone compare then?
This is exactly right. Citing playoff record alone is to say that winning in the wild card round and losing in the divisional round is somehow better than getting a bye and losing in the divisional round, when in fact they are essentially exactly the same.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:35 am to TTsTowel
quote:That's what I did in the OP. A team who loses in the divisional (2nd) round gets 2 points whether or not they earned a bye.
Yea, I mean people like to rag on Peyton Manning for going "one and done" in the playoffs, but most of the time it happened after he earned a bye during the first week. If we fixed his, and any other quarterback's, playoff record to include byes as wins, how would everyone compare then?
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:39 am to TulaneTigerFan
quote:Disregards the most important stat there is.
rating
Posted on 12/31/13 at 8:23 am to TulaneTigerFan
quote:This is why judging a QB or any player by wins and losses in a 22 man sport is asinine. It is something that should stop once someone enters 3rd grade
Kurt Warner throwing for 377 yards, 3 TDs and a 112 rating in a loss - 0 points
Terry Bradshaw throwing for 103 yards, 0 TDs, 2 interceptions and a rating of 46.8 in a win - 1 point
The way we should see it
Posted on 12/31/13 at 8:29 am to ballscaster
Compare Montana's post-season stats to Brady's. Montana is better. Especially in the Super Bowl. And Brady plays in a much more passing QB-friendly era.
Montana: 11TDs-0INTS plus 2 rushing TDs in 4 SBs. 4-0
Brady: 9TDs-2INTs and 0 rushing TDs in 5 SBs. 3-2
Montana: 11TDs-0INTS plus 2 rushing TDs in 4 SBs. 4-0
Brady: 9TDs-2INTs and 0 rushing TDs in 5 SBs. 3-2
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 8:40 am
Posted on 12/31/13 at 8:32 am to TulaneTigerFan
quote:Yeh but what you cant see is the "it" factor. While Warner was throwing for over 300 yards and tds, his ball didnt have "it" on it. While bradhsaw barely made it the length of the field and had two ints, the balls he threw had "it" all over them. Just had "it" man. The "it" factor you know- -signed MSB morons
Kurt Warner throwing for 377 yards, 3 TDs and a 112 rating in a loss - 0 points
Terry Bradshaw throwing for 103 yards, 0 TDs, 2 interceptions and a rating of 46.8 in a win - 1 point
Posted on 12/31/13 at 8:50 am to ballscaster
quote:
Top 10 NFL playoff QB's
Ok, so we're ranking QBs based on how well they do in the playoffs...
quote:
Losing in the playoffs 7 times is better than sitting at home 7 Januarys
I respectfully disagree. Making the playoffs and losing 7 times speaks to how good Manning has been in the regular season compared to Warner, but it is most definitely a knock on his playoff performances. There is no other way to spin it.
Granted, I'd rather my QB make the playoffs rather than miss them, but that is a measure of regular season success. If this thread is a measure of playoff success only, then you cannot ignore losses IMO.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:10 am to ballscaster
So the best way to measure a QB's quality is by measuring his team's quality.
Gotcha.
Gotcha.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:12 am to ballscaster
quote:
This is exactly right. Citing playoff record alone is to say that winning in the wild card round and losing in the divisional round is somehow better than getting a bye and losing in the divisional round, when in fact they are essentially exactly the same
QB A makes 10 playoffs as a wildcard, and wins the wildcard round every single time. He then proceeds to lose in the divisional round every single time. 10-10 record.
QB B makes 10 playoffs with a bye each time, but loses in the divisional round every single time. 0-10 playoff record.
Your logic would tell me that they are equal, when in fact, they certainly are not. In the regular season, it appears that QB B and his team are better. In the playoffs, it appears that QB A and his team are better. This thread is discussing playoff success, so I'd give the nod to QB A.
Granted, I'm not trying to make the case that QB A is far and away the better QB, because neither has ever made it to the conference championship, but I cannot fathom a world where you can make the case that QB B is the best option.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:19 am to slackster
quote:I dont see how anyone with a brain can make a judgement on either QB by just looking at wins and losses.
QB A makes 10 playoffs as a wildcard, and wins the wildcard round every single time. He then proceeds to lose in the divisional round every single time. 10-10 record.
QB B makes 10 playoffs with a bye each time, but loses in the divisional round every single time. 0-10 playoff record.
Your logic would tell me that they are equal, when in fact, they certainly are not. In the regular season, it appears that QB B and his team are better. In the playoffs, it appears that QB A and his team are better. This thread is discussing playoff success, so I'd give the nod to QB A.
Granted, I'm not trying to make the case that QB A is far and away the better QB, because neither has ever made it to the conference championship, but I cannot fathom a world where you can make the case that QB B is the best option.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:21 am to ballscaster
How would you tally someone like Bart Starr who won 3 NFL championships before there was a Super Bowl game?
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 9:21 am
Posted on 12/31/13 at 10:07 am to lsupride87
quote:
I dont see how anyone with a brain can make a judgement on either QB by just looking at wins and losses
I agree.
The OP, however, is trying to make that judgement. My example is directed at his attempt, and hopefully I was able to illustrate that even if you're going to just look at wins and/or wins and losses, his methodology is flawed IMO.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 10:27 am to ballscaster
I think a Super Bowl win should be weighted a bit heavier. Two points instead of one maybe.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 11:51 am to Master of Sinanju
Warner also made three trips to the Super Bowl with two different teams. Manning has only been twice.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 1:10 pm to goldenbadger08
quote:Tough question. I went with just Super Bowl era because of this. I don't know, really.
How would you tally someone like Bart Starr who won 3 NFL championships before there was a Super Bowl game?
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