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Tom Herman's dubious claim to fame. The 2014 Ohio State Natty? Not so fast
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:38 pm
Herman got out of Cardale Jones way. That's about it.
Jones didn't run the Meyer/Herman Zone Read Option. No one had much hope they could avoid a blowout by Wisconsin. Cardale reverted to the offense he knew, and long-bombed Wisky. And he gave the ball to Zeke Elliot, and Cardale steam-rolled LBs and DBs when plays broke down. Cardale knocked off, Wisky, Bama, then Oregon. Won the Natty.
Cardale ran his pro-style offense. Not some genius O from Herman.
The next season, instead of running Cardale's crude but highly effective backyard pro-style O, Meyer forced him to run the Read/Option. Square peg, round hole. Cardale, was till undefeated as a starting QB, but didn't take to the R/O and so he was replaced by JT.
So, just as Malzahn flipped the keys to Newton to win a Natty, Herman flipped them to Cardale in'14.
Herman=Malzahn They got out of the way.
Jones didn't run the Meyer/Herman Zone Read Option. No one had much hope they could avoid a blowout by Wisconsin. Cardale reverted to the offense he knew, and long-bombed Wisky. And he gave the ball to Zeke Elliot, and Cardale steam-rolled LBs and DBs when plays broke down. Cardale knocked off, Wisky, Bama, then Oregon. Won the Natty.
Cardale ran his pro-style offense. Not some genius O from Herman.
The next season, instead of running Cardale's crude but highly effective backyard pro-style O, Meyer forced him to run the Read/Option. Square peg, round hole. Cardale, was till undefeated as a starting QB, but didn't take to the R/O and so he was replaced by JT.
So, just as Malzahn flipped the keys to Newton to win a Natty, Herman flipped them to Cardale in'14.
Herman=Malzahn They got out of the way.
This post was edited on 1/2/21 at 9:53 pm
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Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:39 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Dear Patreon
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:40 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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So, just as Malzahn flipped the keys to Newton to win a Natty, Herman flipped them to Cardale.
Malzahn went back to another BCS game as coach and had beaten bama what 3 or 4 times while there (way more than we did in same time span).
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:42 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
LSU would've been better off with him than Coach Owe
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:42 pm to Ebridg3
If you want to step back in time a decade or so, hire Herman or Malzahn.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:43 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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The next season, instead of running Cardale's crude but highly effective backyard pro-style O, Herman/Meyer forced him to run the Read/Option. Square peg, round hole. Cardale, was till undefeated as a starting QB, but didn't take to the R/O and so he was replaced by JT.
I mean how fing dumb are you? Herman wasn't even on the staff in 2015.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:45 pm to Buckeye06
I literally laughed out loud when I got to that part.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:47 pm to Buckeye06
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:49 pm to Buckeye06
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I mean how fing dumb are you? Herman wasn't even on the staff in 2015.
Yup. Brain-farted on that one.
Doesn't change the fact that Herman's O didn't win the 14 Natty.
That was Cardale running his own version of a Pro-style offense.
This post was edited on 1/2/21 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 1/2/21 at 9:51 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Herman called the 2014 offense and was the QB coach.
The offensive output he called in that final 3 game stretch, combined with the performance of his 3rd string QB, certainly beg to differ.
The offensive output he called in that final 3 game stretch, combined with the performance of his 3rd string QB, certainly beg to differ.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:10 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Jones didn't run the Meyer/Herman Zone Read Option
many QBs run the zone read option play. see burrow and how good he was at it.
CUM ran a power/smashmouth spread offense at OSU which did have power reads as a staple of his offense. I am sure he ran zone reads also though within that offense.
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Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:12 pm to KillerNut9
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The offensive output he called in that final 3 game stretch, combined with the performance of his 3rd string QB, certainly beg to differ.
Cardale did it his way. By using the WR's that Herman ignored on the long ball all season, and by slobberkocking DBs and LBs when plays broke down. And giving the ball to Zeke every chance he got.
Herman certainly stepped up and took credit. Rode that myth into a HC career.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:15 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Yeah, I bet Herman just sat there twiddling his thumbs during the 2014 playoffs while Cardale ran his own offense.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:16 pm to Buckeye06
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I mean how fing dumb are you? Herman wasn't even on the staff in 2015.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:21 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
I’m no Tom Herman fan or apologist, but what he did in 2014 was damn impressive.
Basically had the offense designed around Braxton Miller, then ran through the season (sans Va. Tech) with a backup quarterback, and then won the Big Ten CG and the CFP - including beating Bama - with a third stringer.
Basically had the offense designed around Braxton Miller, then ran through the season (sans Va. Tech) with a backup quarterback, and then won the Big Ten CG and the CFP - including beating Bama - with a third stringer.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:27 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Yeah, I bet Herman just sat there twiddling his thumbs during the 2014 playoffs while Cardale ran his own offense.
You think Herman taught Cardale how to bulldoze D's for countless 3rd down conversions - mostly busted plays. Or how to flick 70 yard high arching (easy to catch) long balls?
And Cardale's long passes took the top of the D's. Zeke averaged 235 yards rushing in those 3 2014 games with Cardale - less than 100 in the other 12 games.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:52 pm to Fat Bastard
Zone Read Spread Option is what Meyer called it in a press conference.
Meyer said to a reporter, "If you have to give it a name, I'd call it a Zone Read Spread Option". Good enough for me.
Meyer said to a reporter, "If you have to give it a name, I'd call it a Zone Read Spread Option". Good enough for me.
This post was edited on 1/2/21 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:54 pm to Ebridg3
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Malzahn went back to another BCS game
With a Cornerback at QB.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:56 pm to IIxxBREADxxII
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With a Cornerback at QB.
If you want about a 4 loss HC, Malzahn or Herman are the way to go.
And they both rode in as OCs on QBs that did it their own way.
This post was edited on 1/2/21 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 1/2/21 at 11:09 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
As far as I'm concerned, his claim is that he was the Iowa state oc that beat okie state which put bama in the rematch game against LSU which eventually got Les fired.
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