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re: This SB loss did NOTHING to affect Manning's legacy in a negative way
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:46 pm to SettleDown
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:46 pm to SettleDown
quote:Correct, but it does nothing to change the fact that he has won more playoff games than all but five quarterbacks, and he is likely to finish in the top three.
look at HIS career QB numbers in the post season vs regular season. It's as if he has been body snatched. THAT is factually correct.
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:48 pm to offshoretrash
quote:Yeah but since he lost the AFC championship game in 1993 and a Wild Card playoff in 1994, his legacy is tarnished.
You know what his playoff record is? 16-7 Super bowl record 4-0.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:52 pm to ballscaster
quote:Ant THAT isn't what the discussion is about. It's about sites he choke and the best measure of choking is comparing typical performance with postseason performance. No different than done great golf chokers. Sure, betting good put them in a position to choke which is better than being bad. But choke they did.
Correct, but it does nothing to change the fact that he has won more playoff games than all but five quarterbacks, and he is likely to finish in the top three.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:52 pm to ballscaster
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does nothing to change the fact that he has won more playoff games than all but five quarterbacks,
But he has lost more than any QB as well. That does not put him int he conversation as the GOAT.
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Yeah but since he lost the AFC championship game in 1993 and a Wild Card playoff in 1994, his legacy is tarnished.
No it does not. It's been 20yrs since he played and he is still regarded as the GOAT.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:55 pm to SettleDown
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No different than done great golf chokers
It's much different. Golf is an individual sport
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:57 pm to offshoretrash
Kurt Warner's numbers are impressive because he only played 12 seasons in the NFL his first 8 seasons were on semi pro teams. What would his numbers have been had he played his full career int he NFL? I bet still better than PM.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:57 pm to ballscaster
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Yeah but since he lost the AFC championship game in 1993 and a Wild Card playoff in 1994, his legacy is tarnished.
In his SB appearances, Montana had 11 TDs to 0 turnovers.
In his SB appearances, Peyton has 3 TDs to 6 turnovers.
Something seems just a little off to me.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:58 pm to Sevendust912
quote:True. But I'm looking at HIS individual performance regular season vs postseason and the difference is glaring. Stats wise, it's like he got replaced. For his career, the net effect for his teams has been like having Manning for the regular season and having him hurt in game 16 thus being forced to start an above average journeyman.
It's much different. Golf is an individual sport
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:01 pm to offshoretrash
quote:But not a single one of these losses eliminates any of his accomplishes, which is exactly my point when I say that his legacy was not negatively affected by losing in the Super Bowl. It's absurd to think otherwise.
But he has lost more than any QB as well.
quote:I was mocking the thread. Manning's two years in Denver have been far better than Montana's two years in Kansas City, so if those two years didn't tarnish Montana's legacy--and it would be absurd to think that they did--then these two years in Denver certainly couldn't tarnish Manning's.
Yeah but since he lost the AFC championship game in 1993 and a Wild Card playoff in 1994, his legacy is tarnished.
No it does not. It's been 20yrs since he played and he is still regarded as the GOAT.
Manning stood to enhance his legacy significantly last night, and he didn't. That doesn't mean he took a step back. He just stayed where he was. It's amazing how you people don't get this.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:03 pm to ballscaster
quote:It's amazing that we have a different opinion than yourself?
It's amazing how you people don't get this.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:05 pm to ballscaster
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That doesn't mean he took a step back. He just stayed where it is.
I just don't see how you can say that? Of coarse he took a step back. If he wins this one he is considered one of the GOAT. Now he's just another numbers guy.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:06 pm to ballscaster
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so if those two years didn't tarnish Montana's legacy--and it would be absurd to think that they did--then these two years in Denver certainly couldn't tarnish Manning's.
Well Montana had played in four Super Bowls, played very well in those games, and his team won all of them.
The kind of things he had left to "prove" were not exactly the same as Manning.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:08 pm to boom roasted
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It's amazing that we have a different opinion than yourself?
Dude, it's not opinion it's a fact. Haven't you been listening to him?
If you disagree with him, you're wrong. There's no point in arguing with it.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:08 pm to Korin
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In his SB appearances, Montana had 11 TDs to 0 turnovers.
In his SB appearances, Peyton has 3 TDs to 6 turnovers.
Justin Tuck 4 sacks in 2 Superbowls
Bruce Smith 2 sacks in 4 Superbowls
RIngz and SUpabowl Stats YO!!!!!!!
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:11 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:No kidding.
Dude, it's not opinion it's a fact. Haven't you been listening to him?
If you disagree with him, you're wrong. There's no point in arguing with it.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:14 pm to boom roasted
quote:It's amazing how you people don't get this.
It's amazing that we have a different opinion than yourself?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:16 pm to offshoretrash
quote:I know. The fact that you don't see it amazes me. It's very simple.
I just don't see how you can say that?
Getting to the Super Bowl enhanced his legacy. Winning it would have enhanced it way more. To revisit the Who Wants To Be a Millionaire? analogy, he was playing for a million, and he left with $32,000. By no means did he lose money.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:22 pm to ballscaster
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Getting to the Super Bowl enhanced his legacy
No winning it would have enhanced it. Losing it tarnished his legacy especially doing it in this fashion. You're saying that laying an egg in this SB did nothing for his ranking in the all time ranking? You are a fool if you believe this.
Unless he wins another SB it won't matter what he does the rest of his career he will never be known as a top 5 all time great. At this point I would put Troy Aikman in front of PM.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:22 pm to ballscaster
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I'm using just what you said--must-win games, which I take to mean "playoffs." He's won more of those than all but five quarterbacks, and if he were to reach another Super Bowl, he will have cracked the top three or two.
I thought you were referring to his win percentage (which is why I listed his overall post-season record[s]), not just total wins. Still, when you factor in the other side of that equation (i.e., his losses), the numbers are decidedly less appealing--as Manning holds the record for most playoff losses ever for a QB (at 12).
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Odd, since he's only played in the first round seven times.
eight one-and-dones. don't be a pedant.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:24 pm to offshoretrash
quote:He's saying Peyton could have thrown 12 INTs and 0 TDs and his legacy would not have been tarnished. It can only go up, never down, because it's Peyton.
You're saying that laying an egg in this SB did nothing for his ranking in the all time ranking?
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