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re: This is the most desperate moments of Lebron's career
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:24 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:24 pm to ThePTExperience1969
You didn’t refute anything I said, all Finals teams have great players, none of those were great teams (and those 91 Lakers were more washed up than the 2010 Boston squad you mentioned above)
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:25 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Lebron wouldn’t have even got out the east if he had to go up against teams like that. Heck he couldn’t even get past d12 Orlando squad in the east . Then just last year he gets the Celtics with half of their starters out in ECF. So impressive ain’t he? and he gets took to 7 by the lowly pacers.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:31 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Season wasn't over Boom. They beat the " goat" Warriors on Xmas day & were a new team beginning to gel. Can you least acknowledge the Lakers plummeting without LeBron ?
fourth place and the cavs weren’t even trying to win when he left. They tank for pics. In Miami, Bosh miss half the year. Wade miss 20 games.
Were the Cavs not trying to win before LeBron returned ? In the ' easy' East anyone one of those 4 / 5 squads could have made the playoffs w/o LeBron ,but didn't.
You still haven't explained how MJ " made players better" when Pippen ,Grant ,etc....played better / more effiently besides CBA Journeyman Pete Myers than peak MJ. Since you love efficiency.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:36 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Lebron wouldn’t have even got out the east if he had to go up against teams like that. Heck he couldn’t even get past d12 Orlando squad in the east . Then just last year he gets the Celtics with half of their starters out in ECF. So impressive ain’t he? and he gets took to 7 by the lowly pacers.
You're just being silly now Boom. MJ made players better although their efficiency improved without him. Despite playing with Pete Myers.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:36 pm to Cocotheape
The 91 Lakers, Scott, Worthy, Green and Perkins were all past their prime. Magic was still good, but the names on that team were better than they actually were at that point.
The Blazers second best player was Cliff Robinson. The Suns were good, but again, KJ or Majerle are not at the level of the second best players of the teams LeBron faced.
Post-retirement, Kemp was not a player on the level of any other team MJ or Bron faced as the opposing star. The Jazz were the stiffest challenge, but even they were fairly average outside Stockton and Malone.
There's no Warriors or Spurs in that mix. I would say the Jazz might match the Mavs or Thunder teams LeBron faced.
The Blazers second best player was Cliff Robinson. The Suns were good, but again, KJ or Majerle are not at the level of the second best players of the teams LeBron faced.
Post-retirement, Kemp was not a player on the level of any other team MJ or Bron faced as the opposing star. The Jazz were the stiffest challenge, but even they were fairly average outside Stockton and Malone.
There's no Warriors or Spurs in that mix. I would say the Jazz might match the Mavs or Thunder teams LeBron faced.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:47 pm to lsupride87
I'm not falling for that net efficiency advanced equation stats crap anymore, I watched film on those teams, I know those players and coaches, I know their caliber and all-time reputation, and I know that they were great teams otherwise they wouldn't have advanced to the Finals in the first place nor would they have won that amount of games and no advanced stat equation formula nerd will ever change my mind about that
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:49 pm to Stidham8
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:49 pm to Cocotheape
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You didn’t refute anything I said, all Finals teams have great players, none of those were great teams (and those 91 Lakers were more washed up than the 2010 Boston squad you mentioned above)
Of course I did, I pointed out who comprised those teams, the caliber of their coaches for the most part, and their accomplishments in the regular and postseason, only blind people would deny those were great and accomplished teams
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:53 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Heck he couldn’t even get past d12 Orlando squad in the east .
That Cavs team was great offensively and defensively, they had the league's best record, they had HC the entire playoffs and LeBron the MVP leading them, then when the Magic series starts they go down 3-1 and end up losing it in 6, a team they had a better record than, who does that? I know Mike and Bird wouldn't let that shite happen, crazy stuff
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Then just last year he gets the Celtics with half of their starters out in ECF
Hell, his 09 and 10 Cavs teams could probably defeat that Cavs team LeBron was better from an all-around perspective and he elevated the collective team to great heights and they didn't consist of the Boston Big 3 whereas last year's Cavs team SUCKED at D, then again this was the time LeGOAT was quitting in the East playoffs so maybe it'd be a tossup IDK
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he gets took to 7 by the lowly pacers.
Seems to be a current recurring theme with LeBron's playoff teams, maybe a reflection that he isn't this all-world all-around dominant force like he once was at least on the defensive end and therefore inspiring his teammates to that end too
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:58 pm to sugar71
Efficiency doesn’t always equal better. That should be fairly simple. And mike was long gone by then. His impact on Pippen had already been done by that point. Pippen is maybe the most overrated player ever. And would be just knowns as a defensive stopper if he didn’t play with GOAT.
Oh and did the cav get Kevin love too when they get lebron from Miami or nah? Ang other roster moves you wanna ignore.
Oh and did the cav get Kevin love too when they get lebron from Miami or nah? Ang other roster moves you wanna ignore.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 3:01 pm
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