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There is no PI on punt formations, except for games in November of this year?
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:11 am
YouTube
, NFL is a joke.
ETA - Nevermind.
Found the rule that established which receivers can and cannot be interfered with on a punt.
, NFL is a joke. ETA - Nevermind.
Found the rule that established which receivers can and cannot be interfered with on a punt.
quote:
Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation and until the ball is kicked, defensive acts that normally
constitute pass interference are permitted against the end man on the line of scrimmage, or against an eligible receiver
behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line, provided
that the acts do not constitute illegal holding. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and
result in a five-yard penalty from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 9:29 am
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:12 am to slackster
Should have been holding.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:12 am to slackster
Ooooof
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:12 am to slackster
Sains did plenty to lose that game on their own, but I'm really curious how bad the officiating has to get before the league stops protecting them and starts holding people accountable.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:13 am to sicboy
Do you really think it’s incompetence by the officials and not a coordinated effort to influence the outcome of game?
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:14 am to slackster
Holding aside, which should have been called....you're saying since they called that incorrectly last time they should have done that yesterday?
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:15 am to SelaTiger
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Do you really think it’s incompetence by the officials and not a coordinated effort to influence the outcome of game?
I really do.
NFL officials are bad. They're too bad to actually pull of some scheme to frick the Saints specifically.
I do think there is added pressure during Saints games though, which adds to their overall incompetence.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:17 am to castorinho
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Holding aside, which should have been called....you're saying since they called that incorrectly last time they should have done that yesterday?
Nah, I'm saying that either this video or yesterday was a complete, objective frick up.
ETA - found the rule. I was wrong.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 9:30 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:17 am to castorinho
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Holding aside, which should have been called....
I still want clarification on what the result of a holding call would be in that situation.
If they are saying you can’t PI in that situation then I would imagine holding would be in a similar way. Because a holding call on a regular punt is a 10 yards penalty from the spot of the foul with the other team retaining possession. So I’m confused which way it counts
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:18 am to SelaTiger
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Do you really think it’s incompetence by the officials and not a coordinated effort to influence the outcome of game?
Can you show me the masterplan of who they are trying to help and hurt with this?
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:19 am to slackster
Saints have been screwed on some calls, but they are also playing very sloppy this year and there's no denying it. Don't double whammy yourself.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:20 am to SelaTiger
Hanlon's razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Similarly, Napoleon:
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Similarly, Napoleon:
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:20 am to sicboy
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Saints have been screwed on some calls, but they are also playing very sloppy this year and there's no denying it. Don't double whammy yourself.
Yeah, I'm not blaming yesterday on the refs at all. I think the refs are mostly incompetent regardless of the Saints results.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:21 am to sicboy
Go back and watch...they got both right.
#12 was the receiver for Arizona. He was not a gunner. He was lined up inside on the line and went out for a pass.
#12 was the receiver for Arizona. He was not a gunner. He was lined up inside on the line and went out for a pass.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:21 am to wildtigercat93
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I still want clarification on what the result of a holding call would be in that situation.
If they are saying you can’t PI in that situation then I would imagine holding would be in a similar way. Because a holding call on a regular punt is a 10 yards penalty from the spot of the foul with the other team retaining possession. So I’m confused which way it counts
I find it odd how difficult it is to actually cite NFL rules.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:22 am to Y.A. Tittle
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find it odd how difficult it is to actually cite NFL rules.
It would help if the refs had to hold a press conference like every other person involved in the game of play does after the game. Get some transparency would go a long way
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:23 am to Ex-Popcorn
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#12 was the receiver for Arizona. He was not a gunner. He was lined up inside on the line and went out for a pass.
Yes. This changes it entirely. The fact that NO’s play was thrown to a gunner is what changes the rules.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:24 am to Ex-Popcorn
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Go back and watch...they got both right.
#12 was the receiver for Arizona. He was not a gunner. He was lined up inside on the line and went out for a pass.
I know the stressed the gunner yesterday, but I can't find that distinction anywhere in the rulebook.
quote:
If a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive acts that normally constitute illegal contact (chuck beyond five
yards, etc.) are permitted, provided that the acts do not constitute defensive holding.
This is the only reference to the rule anyhere.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:25 am to slackster
That wasn't directed at you, just in general. Patriots lost the game yesterday because of two horrible calls, one being ANOTHER fumble blown dead. I don't get why this is so hard to teach these guys: let it play out and get it right in the review.
And the pylon non TD when they asked the ref if he had considered ruling it a TD and being able to review it since it was a scoring play, he responds "not really".
THESE GUYS AREN'T PROFESSIONALS. The league, with all of it's faults, has to have the best in the business officiating these games. It's high school quality week in and week out.
And the pylon non TD when they asked the ref if he had considered ruling it a TD and being able to review it since it was a scoring play, he responds "not really".
THESE GUYS AREN'T PROFESSIONALS. The league, with all of it's faults, has to have the best in the business officiating these games. It's high school quality week in and week out.
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 9:26 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:25 am to Ex-Popcorn
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#12 was the receiver for Arizona. He was not a gunner. He was lined up inside on the line and went out for a pass.
Correct.
The rule is in place for good reason. If not you would have trans fake punting all the time in order to draw PI calls on the person blocking the gunner.
WR on the inside do not have that protection
There is usually holding on the gunner on most punts. Not a point of emphasis for officials as they are more focused on spot of the ball, block in the back on returns and roughing
There are two different books for officials. A rules book and a situation book. This one might be in the situation book (which covers situations that do not occur often)
The official NFL rule
quote:
If a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive acts that normally constitute illegal contact (chuck beyond five yards, etc.) are permitted
Now you are not allowed to hold. Again it is rarely called by officials on any punt so you are rarely getting that call
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 9:35 am
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