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re: The story behind the split of Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and the Patriots

Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:27 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:27 pm to
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He can't make the throws he used to. It's a simple fact.


False
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:28 pm to
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We will never know what a prime Brady is without Belichick nor a Belichick without a prime Brady.


Looks like we will see what Belichick is without Brady prime this season. But we wont see Brady prime without Belichick. But we can reason that if Brady is awesome this year but Bill flounders, TB is the man. If NE can win a Superbowl without TB, then we'll know its all BB. If both drop off as I expect...then we still wont know.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:29 pm to
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ut we can reason that if Brady is awesome this year but Bill flounders, TB is the man. If NE doesn't drop off without TB, then we'll know its all BB.


That’s the reasoning of a toddler.

Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:32 pm to
Ok tell me why. Most other variables will remain the same. the only thing that changes is Brady is no longer in his prime.

Being a bandwagon Pats fan doesn't make you any kind of expert, by the way.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 2:41 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:34 pm to
Two things can be great at the same time. I know First take will convince you otherwise but it’s simply true

Performance from here on out has zero effect of the accomplishments of greatness that both achieved to this stage of their career.

Neither would be as great without the other one. Both are all timers at what they do. Simple as that.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:35 pm to
Ok so then if they are both still great, then they are both great. I thought that went without saying. I was responding to someone who said we will never know, and I laid out a scenario that we will very likely be able to tell.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:36 pm to
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Ok so then if they are both still great, then they are both great.


They could both go 0-16 next year and still be great.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:37 pm to
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They could both go 0-16 next year and still be great.


Nope. That would mean prime Brady was propping up BB all this time. And that Brady is no longer in his prime or anywhere near it.

Its a hypothetical message board discussion. Nobodys going to keep either one out of the HOF based on anything at this point. But its perfectly logical to ask which one was more responsible for the Pats' success. Just like Kobe/Shaq, MJ/Phil Jackson, or Montana/Rice.

Especially when we don't have any current sports to discuss.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 2:47 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:40 pm to
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Nope. That would mean prime Brady was propping up BB all this time.


Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:41 pm to
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False



really??? Did you see some of those horrible throws he made last year???
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:44 pm to
Now that’s the response of a toddler.
Posted by Cheesy Beaver
Kenna brah
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:45 pm to
If it was written in Ebonics, would it have made more sense to you?
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:49 pm to
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really??? Did you see some of those horrible throws he made last year???


I saw him throwing to practice squaders with an elbow injury while getting hammered by whoever Marshall Newhouse attempted to block until Wynn came back

I also saw him throw some frickin lasers and have one of the best deep ball accuracy numbers in his career with no deep ball WRs to actually throw to
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:50 pm to
Trying to get down to your level, Kellerman
Posted by Gator Mike
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 5:12 pm to
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I saw him throwing to practice squaders with an elbow injury while getting hammered by whoever Marshall Newhouse attempted to block until Wynn came back

This.

He's not "I'll drag Reche Caldwell, Doug Gabriel, and Laurence Maroney to within five points of winning a Super Bowl" good any more, but he's still pretty freakin' good.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47857 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:19 pm to
Lmao so after 4 years of countless stories exactly like this one printed by ESPN they finally got it right cause Brady finally left. I guess all those K.C fans who’ve predicted the Chiefs would win the Super Bowl every year since the 70s are prophets now too? ESPN “journalist” are a joke.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 8:20 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:30 pm to
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dukke v


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Who cares ..... Brady is washed up. Tampa thinks they are gonna win the SB with a not as good of version of TB. Why won't people see this. He can't make the throws he used to. It's a simple fact.


Hmmm, now the smart money is on TB to win the SB.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:59 am to
I will fight you
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 6:03 am to
Frankly he's doing the public a favor; now we get to see how good this fricker really is playing for a shite organization like most QBs.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:29 am to
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now we get to see how good this fricker really is playing for a shite organization like most QBs.


Meh. Bruce Arians is a really good coach, especially offensively. And they have weapons. I’m not sure their defense is ready to win a Super Bowl, but as a Saints fan they scare me. I could easily see them getting hot and going on a nice playoff run. Assuming Brady’s healthy. I don’t think he’s dropped off nearly as much as others do. And he’s gonna be more motivated than ever before.
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