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Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:26 pm to hashtag
For a while there was Tony Dungy before he got the Tampa job. He was considered "too cerebral". Ray Sherman was the OC at GB for a while and neve got interviews.
Those are two off the top of my head. The fact that the owners decided that it was a problem and that many of them admitted that they would never had interviewed certain candidates should tell you something. Hell, the fact that fricking Rich Kotite and other coaches of his ilk have received multiple head coaching gigs should tell you that coaching is more about networking than it is about merit. That's changing BECAUSE of the Rooney Rule. That's a good thing.
Those are two off the top of my head. The fact that the owners decided that it was a problem and that many of them admitted that they would never had interviewed certain candidates should tell you something. Hell, the fact that fricking Rich Kotite and other coaches of his ilk have received multiple head coaching gigs should tell you that coaching is more about networking than it is about merit. That's changing BECAUSE of the Rooney Rule. That's a good thing.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:27 pm to WikiTiger
If you believe that the Rooney Rule is about promoting minorities over whites, then your position is based on the concept of white superiority. Otherwise, you would not have phrased it such.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:28 pm to WikiTiger
Correct.
For instance when Sharpton, or Jackson, or the NAACP confronts a business about hiring blacks, they're going to use, right or wrong, the criteria which will be most beneficial to blacks. Sometimes the argument they'll use is that a company's percentage of black employees should be in direct proportion to the percentage of blacks in the town the business is in, or the percentage of blacks in the state it is in, or in proportion to the percentage of blacks in the country,etc. The same is done when they argue for contracts for black businesses from white-led corporations. The criteria is used based on the percentage of revenue black consumers give the corporations or something like that. It's all arbitrary. The criteria that they use will be the one that is most beneficial to blacks.
Martin King used to argue the percentage of a town's population is how many blacks a business should have. And Leon Sullivan with OIC before him.
For instance when Sharpton, or Jackson, or the NAACP confronts a business about hiring blacks, they're going to use, right or wrong, the criteria which will be most beneficial to blacks. Sometimes the argument they'll use is that a company's percentage of black employees should be in direct proportion to the percentage of blacks in the town the business is in, or the percentage of blacks in the state it is in, or in proportion to the percentage of blacks in the country,etc. The same is done when they argue for contracts for black businesses from white-led corporations. The criteria is used based on the percentage of revenue black consumers give the corporations or something like that. It's all arbitrary. The criteria that they use will be the one that is most beneficial to blacks.
Martin King used to argue the percentage of a town's population is how many blacks a business should have. And Leon Sullivan with OIC before him.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:29 pm to Sophandros
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If you believe that the Rooney Rule is about promoting minorities over whites, then your position is based on the concept of white superiority. Otherwise, you would not have phrased it such.
It seems like you have resorted to the preferred tactic of all race pimps: call your opponent a racist (in so many words)
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:30 pm to Sophandros
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That's changing BECAUSE of the Rooney Rule. That's a good thing.
There has been a growing trend of new head coaches being hired in the NFL. There are currently 15 first time head coaches in the NFL:
Sean Payton
Ken Whisenhut
Mike Smith
John Harbaugh
Lovie Smith
Jim Caldwell
Todd Haley
Tony Sparano
Leslie Frazier
Rex Ryan
Tom Cable
Mike Tomlin
Steve Spagnuolo
Raheem Morris
Gary Kubiak
Five of them are black. It has more to do with this trend than the race of any of these guys.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:31 pm to Rocket
Sharpton and Jackson don't care about blacks. They only care about lining their own pockets. In fact, most blacks don't give a frick about either of those guys--the only people who ever mention them and what they say are certain groups of whites...
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:32 pm to Sophandros
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the only people who ever mention them and what they say are certain groups of whites...
sounds like you are resorting to that "preferred tactic" again
pathetic
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:32 pm to Sophandros
ETA: double post
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:34 pm to Sophandros
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the Rooney Rule is about giving something -- the interview for potential employment -- based on skin color. I oppose basing any facet of employment on skin color
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:34 pm to hashtag
You're proving my point that the Rooney Rule is a good thing. It's forcing owners to go wider and deeper in their talent search, which is why we have so many first time coaches and fewer retreads--regardless of race. Forcing owners to slow down the hiring process and bring in more candidates exposes them to more applicants of all colors. Everyone wins.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:35 pm to WikiTiger
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sounds like you are resorting to that "preferred tactic" again
Sounds like your preferred tactic is to declare Jesse and Al the spokespeople for all of black America.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:35 pm to Sophandros
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Now YOUR argument seems to be based on a very dangerous a priority assumption that often rears it's ugly head in these sorts of discussions: any minority that gets hired or gains admission to a school does so via affirmative action and that minority is assumed to be less qualified than all white applicants based on his minority status. I say that this assumption is a dangerous one because it assumes the superiority of whites over everyone else and sells all other groups short. Now, I don't think that you are a racist, but the necessary underlying assumption behind your argument relies on the belief of white supremacy.
The typical TD.com attitude.
Soph, heard you were a big tulane guy; my roommates played there and were integral parts of the last 2 squads. What are your feelings on Toledo? I think we should go to a pure spread.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:36 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Sounds like your preferred tactic is to declare Jesse and Al the spokespeople for all of black America.
I don't remember bringing them up.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:36 pm to WikiTiger
Not resorting to anything, man. Just telling it like it is. Looks like you're conceding by not arguing any points.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:37 pm to Sophandros
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Not resorting to anything, man. Just telling it like it is. Looks like you're conceding by not arguing any points.
If I leave the thread to go to bed does that mean I lost?
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:38 pm to StrongSafety
I wasn't happy with the extension, but I hope to be proven wrong. He waited too long to open up the offense, IMO.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:38 pm to Sophandros
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Sharpton and Jackson don't care about blacks. They only care about lining their own pockets. In fact, most blacks don't give a frick about either of those guys--the only people who ever mention them and what they say are certain groups of whites...
You are entitled to your opinion.
Considering the fact that Jackson is the head of a civil rights organization, has his Saturday morning forums every week, has a Sunday morning radio show and a tv show, I believe, and has gotten thousands and thousands of jobs for blacks and contracts for black owned businesses, banks, law firms,etc., your opinion just doesn't add up.
The same for Sharpton although he doesn't have the long background that Jackson does. He has a radio show where blacks call in all the time, confronts businesses to hire blacks, has 2 rallies a week at the House of Justice, your opinion just doesn't line up with reality. Sure, there are going to be people outside of New York and Chicago who don't care about either, no doubt.
Would you be willing to call in on Sharpton's radio show that he has that is on for 3 hours every day and tell him he doesn't care about blacks?
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:39 pm to Sophandros
I agree, i was really hoping for a new orleans bowl birth this year
Posted on 1/2/11 at 9:41 pm to WikiTiger
any time race is brought into a discussion, it is bad over all. I am embarrassed that I live in a time where people are still concerned with skin color. We have a black president (voted in by the majority of voters, aka white people), yet we have to have rules in place that give minorities and unfair advantage over other whites.
Why is it fair that the Cowboys will interview Jason Garrett and a token black guy instead of interviewing Greg Williams? Is it fair to Greg Williams that token black guy gets an opportunity that GW doesn't get, solely because he is black? No.
Why is it fair that the Cowboys will interview Jason Garrett and a token black guy instead of interviewing Greg Williams? Is it fair to Greg Williams that token black guy gets an opportunity that GW doesn't get, solely because he is black? No.
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