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Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:50 pm to GamecockAlum
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So what exactly is the punishment if you don't interview a minority candidate?
A fine. If I'm not mistaken, I think Detroit got fined a few years ago for not giving the interview.
ETA: Just looked it up: Lions got fined $200,000 when they hired Mariucchi, for not interviewing a minority candidate.
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:50 pm to LSUZombie
It's an outdated rule. Minority head coaches are a fairly common sight now, no point in having it anymore. Other than just to waste a franchise's time.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:50 pm to LSUZombie
If the NFL really wanted to help out black coaches, they would make a Rooney rule for assistant coaches instead of head coaches. The biggest problem is the lack of qualified black assistants in the NFL today. When Mike freaking Singletary is getting interviews for NFL head coaching positions despite never being a coordinator and having very little experience as a coach, it tells me there aren't many qualified guys out there. That's where the Rooney rule can help. Give black coaches more opportunities to prove themselves as assistants and everything will take care of itself.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:52 pm to tigermike5
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its not a fake interview
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teams may not plan on hiring them but they interview them like any other coach
sounds like a fake interview
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and why should we care that the nfl forces teams to interview a black coach
because in the case of Jason Garrett, Dallas has already chosen him. Minnesotta chose Frazier and no one will scream Rooney Rule for the Vikings.
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it is just giving them an opportunity they were not getting 10 years ago
maybe 20 years ago...
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and teams will hire who they feel is best for the job regardless of whom they have interviewed.
well i agree with this. I was just thinking how i would feel if i was invited to be interviewed for a job i had no shot at getting
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:52 pm to Bench McElroy
hey i have a solution
give it to the most qualified gut and don't worry about his skin color
give it to the most qualified gut and don't worry about his skin color
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:52 pm to LSUZombie
I'm fine with the rule. An owner interviews a guy he otherwise wouldn't, and even though he won't hire him, he might be impressed by him, and he might mention it at the owners meeting. Pretty soon, the guy who wouldn't have gotten a single interview has gotten two or three, and then one day he gets one on his own merit and gets a job.
What's the problem? A black guy gets a first-class plane ticket?
What's the problem? A black guy gets a first-class plane ticket?
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:53 pm to Kafka
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hey i have a solution
give it to the most qualified gut and don't worry about his skin color
well now that's just silly
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:53 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:Damn good point. Never thought of it that way.
If the NFL really wanted to help out black coaches, they would make a Rooney rule for assistant coaches instead of head coaches. The biggest problem is the lack of qualified black assistants in the NFL today. When Mike freaking Singletary is getting interviews for NFL head coaching positions despite never being a coordinator and having very little experience as a coach, it tells me there aren't many qualified guys out there. That's where the Rooney rule can help. Give black coaches more opportunities to prove themselves as assistants and everything will take care of itself.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:54 pm to BilJ
I just have a hard time believing that a team in this day and age wouldn't hire a minority head coach for any reason other than he's not the best option football wise. Maybe that's naive, but I'm not sure.
I do agree that if a minority 'candidate' is brought in now when everyone knows it's Garret's job, it's pretty insulting. Maybe there's some other circumstances around it that make it worthwhile, but from the outside it's screwy.
I do agree that if a minority 'candidate' is brought in now when everyone knows it's Garret's job, it's pretty insulting. Maybe there's some other circumstances around it that make it worthwhile, but from the outside it's screwy.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:54 pm to xiv
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What's the problem? A black guy gets a first-class plane ticket?
unless he lives in the city he is interviewing. then i guess he would get a nice ride in a town car
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:54 pm to xiv
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I'm fine with the rule
so am i
i'm all for giving preference based on skin color
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:55 pm to Bench McElroy
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If the NFL really wanted to help out black coaches, they would make a Rooney rule for assistant coaches instead of head coaches. The biggest problem is the lack of qualified black assistants in the NFL today. When Mike freaking Singletary is getting interviews for NFL head coaching positions despite never being a coordinator and having very little experience as a coach, it tells me there aren't many qualified guys out there. That's where the Rooney rule can help. Give black coaches more opportunities to prove themselves as assistants and everything will take care of itself
i agree with this 100%. excellent point
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:55 pm to Kafka
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hey i have a solution give it to the most qualified gut and don't worry about his skin color
They do "give it" {the job} to the most qualified person. They also give him an interview. They also have to interview a brother.
if they want to interview people just to give them interview experience, they don't need to do it when a big job opens up. THey can just do it around the year.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:56 pm to baybeefeetz
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They also have to interview a brother
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:57 pm to xiv
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What's the problem?
That's kinda what I think. It's not a forced hire, it's just an interview.
And while I think whites get offended because it's perceived as 'special treatment', really it doesn't come at the cost of anyone else. It's not like an affirmative action hire where there's a tangible loser.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:58 pm to BilJ
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If I were the cowboys I'd go out of my way to make a mockery of it. Bring in a local black HS coach and call it a day.
They already (allegedly) interviewed Ray Sherman, the Cowboys WR coach.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:59 pm to Kafka
I say "brother," and sometimes I say "sustah." Let's not kid ourselves.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 7:59 pm to LSUZombie
Before this rule was put into place, Black coaches had trouble getting interviews, and thereby establish some type of rapport with the owners who were all White, while White coaches already had established relationships with the owners socially away from football, and thereby didn't need to interview. It was Dan Rooney's best attempt to try and open doors for Black coaches that would otherwise be closed.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:00 pm to trackfan
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Before this rule was put into place, Black coaches had trouble getting interviews, and thereby establish some type of rapport with the owners who were all White, while White coaches already had established relationships with the owners socially away from football, and thereby didn't need to interview. It was Dan Rooney's best attempt to try and open doors for Black coaches that would otherwise be closed.
a door that opens to nowhere.
Has any current black head coach ever attributed ANY success to the rooney rule?
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