re: The only thing that saved Dabo from Clemsoning was Brent Venebles

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I'm an Alabama man... "competing" is winning a championship, not showing up and getting your doors blown off.

Before NIL and transform portal gave you B1G underperformers an advantage you routinely got your assess kicked by random SEC team of the year.

You guys haven't won a championship since you had a coach that gave you an advantage in 2014-15.

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What a total embarrassment of a post.

I get what you're saying, but you are all over the place with your argument. And actually end up proving the opposite of your point.

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If you pay somebody a lot more money and/or offer significantly better resources to fulfill their professional ambitions, they aren’t staying somewhere just because it’s their alma mater.

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You keep saying this, but there is only one example of it taking place, which I brought up. You have no examples to offer of coaches at their Alma Mater leaving to win.

Kyle Wittingham had several chances to move to another job and never did, because Utah is his Alma Mater. Mike Gundy was a hot name in the early 2010's, never went anywhere because he was at his school. Pat Fitzgerald came up several times for bigger jobs in the Big 10.

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You mentioned Cristobal going to Miami. Miami has won five national titles (close to several others) and dominated CFB at times like few programs have. He’s resurrected a program that had potential and Miami looks about as good as anyone right now.

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This runs completely counter to your argument. Oregon has the best facilities, funding and support pretty much in all of college football. Miami plays in a half-empty NFL stadium has mediocre facilities and funding that pales in comparison to Oregon, yet he went there only because it was his Alma Mater, everything was better set up for him to win big at Oregon.

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But how often do you see a coach who’s already successful at top 10-15 program (all-time) with top pay and national championship potential leave to go anywhere? Alma mater or not, you typically have to have something more to offer to justify movement.

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This is a different argument altogether, moving out of top-10 job vs. leaving your Alma Mater isn't the same conversation. Typically the only reason someone would make that kind of move would be to go to your Alma Mater, like Jim Harbaugh or Christobal.

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Coaches and players sacrificing their personal ambitions for their school is a fan fantasy. They will opt for something better just as quickly as you will want to fire or bench them for something better.

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Again, you keep saying this and I get it, but the facts don't actually bear it out. Actually there are more examples of coaches not leaving programs to stay at their Alma Mater than not.

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It’s not a shite show (yet) like we’ve seen with other big programs in the past that completely nose dive. They’ve lost to LSU with a chance to tie with the ball at the LSU 15 yd line with over a minute to go. Lost to a good Ga Tech team in the final seconds on a 55 yd kick. Dabo does a good job of keeping his teams together. He’s always been best when playing the underdog card and now they are underdogs.

I’m in no way saying they are great but don’t be surprised if they keep the wheels on the remaining games of the season.

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Coaches don’t give a shite about coaching at their alma mater. They want to make money and win games. Wherever they can do that the best is where they’re going to be.

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While I agree that there are a lot of coaches that just want to be a HC no matter the program Brent Key absolutely gives a shite about coaching his alma mater. Does that mean he never leaves for a "bigger job"? No. But he's not just going to bolt for the first big job that calls.

You want to see the real problem then here's a list of some of Clemson's hires.

Seen on Clemson's tigernet forum a few weeks back.

"The following are or could be considered nepo (Dabo friends and family) hires:;

Tyler Grisham- Fmr CU player.
CJ Spiller - Fmr CU player,
Nick Eason - Fmr CU plaver
Ben Boulware - Fmr CU plaver.
Deandre McDaniel - Fmr CU player.
Lorenzo Ward - Fmr Bama teammate
Da'Quan Bowers - Fmr CU player.
Taih Bovd - Fmr CU plaver
Cole Stoudt - Fmr CU player.
Eliiah Turner - Fmr CU plaver
Andrew Zow - Fmr Bama player.
Rvan Allen - DC's kid
Cory Crawford - Fmr CU player
Tyrone Crowder - Fmr CU player
Drew Swinney - nuff said,
Will Swinnev - nuff said
Brandon Thomas - Fmr CU plaver
Nolan Turner - Fmr CU plaver
Ben Batson - Fmr CU player
Woody McCorvey - Longtime Clemson coach and Dabo's position coach at Bama.
Tvler Clements - CU President's kid
Zach Fulmer - Fmr CU player
Ashley Spiers - Daughter of Bill Spiers, sister of Will Spiers both fmr CU players.
Levon Kirkland - Fmr CU player
Tracv Swinnev - Last name checks out.
Richard Yeargin - Fmr CU player,
Anna Kate Gunn - Gene Stallings' (Dabo's HC @ Bama) granddaughter."

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Jon Smith left his alma mater Oregon State for Michigan State a couple years ago. Let’s just say it hasn’t gone well so far.

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You can add Bryan Harsin to the list. Left Boise for Auburn.

And I would argue that a coach staying at a smaller or less prestigious program (alumnus or not) where he has been successful enough to attract attention might just be playing the long game in a profession without a lot of job security instead of just being enamored with their alma mater.

If Dabo Swinney had left Clemson after 2018 and someone else came in in 2019 and produced the same results we have seen from Dabo since 2019, that coach would be a fired arse by now. But Dabo has survived because of what he did years ago and a hefty contract. If (hypothetically) Dabo had been hired at Bama when Saban retired, those Clemson accomplishments that have kept the wolves at bay as the program has declined would be irrelevant.

Success at a program (whether you’re an alumnus or not) generally buys at least some time to navigate difficult waters. You lose that when you change schools. It’s definitely something for a coach to consider when other schools come calling.

But rest assured on this: One way or another, coaches are thinking about what is best for themselves and their families - just like everyone else who works for a living.