re: The Official 2012 Wimbledon Daily Thread

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If she played more, plus didn't have her sister to contend with, then that number could easily have doubled, including a lot more Grand Slams..

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that's not how this works

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bobbyray21

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you're right, she should be in the convo for best ever. but she's not THE best ever. and the more I think about it, the more i realize it's almost impossible to compare the 70s and 80s era of tennis to today's era. two different games, it seems

Is Serena the most accomplished player of all time? No.

Is she the best? Quite possibly.

I would love to see her and Steffi Graf play in their primes. They are the two best players ever. You can argue 1 vs. 2, but that's as far s you can argue. No other female player has played at as high a level as Serena and Steffi in their respective primes.

Go on, argue that Chris Evert was better than Serena even though Chris Evert herself says she wasn't better than Serena. Argue away.

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you're right, she should be in the convo for best ever. but she's not THE best ever. and the more I think about it, the more i realize it's almost impossible to compare the 70s and 80s era of tennis to today's era. two different games, it seem

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It's difficult, but we can try.

The way to normalize the argument is to look at how dominant a player was with respect to her peers. This is why I think Serena gets the nod over Chrissy and Martina. Chrissy was the best, but then Martina supplanted her and became the best, and then Steffi came along and supplanted Martina as the best (and this was before Martini was washed up).

And then Steffi ruled the women's game for a long time (with the exception of the two Seles years).

I realize Serena hasn't played a full schedule year in and year out, so a resume comparison doesn't work out in her favor. But what you can say for Serena is that, for the last 12 years, she has been the clear answer to the question "who is the best female player".

Graf would be a bad matchup for SW. That defensive backhsnd was a pain, and then with a big forehand. She was better amd mentally stronger. Grass would close the gap, but not so on hard or clay.

Serena won BET Award for Female Athlete of the Year in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011. Obviously the GOAT.

Who won it in 06 and 08?

I'm betting that most of you are too young to have seen Martina in her prime. She revolutionized the game. Not only did she bring power to the women's game, she brought a bit of finesse as well. She could trade power backhands or passing shots with the best of them. She could dial up an ace pretty much at will. Also, there was no player in her era who could match her at the net.

I'll take Martina in her prime against anyone.

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you're right, she should be in the convo for best ever. but she's not THE best ever. and the more I think about it, the more i realize it's almost impossible to compare the 70s and 80s era of tennis to today's era. two different games, it seems

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GRAF in her prime would WHIP Serena EVERY TIME they played. YES she was THAT GOOD.

On what page are we talking about how much I want Hlavackova to stick my balls up her skirt?

"There's no meaner team of tennis players than Venus & Serena Williams"

Trick was right....and he still is


And their momma looks like a Huge Biatch