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re: The ATL Thread: Offseason Edition

Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by beaver
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:17 pm to
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I can't deal with trading him for a bag of cookies.


lolok

anyways...here's what Keith Law had to say

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Atlanta-bound Shelby Miller posted a 2.92 ERA after the All-Star break in 2014. For their trouble, the Braves get two premium young arms, one ready to step right into their rotation and one who immediately becomes the best pitching prospect in their farm system. Shelby Miller now has two solid, healthy seasons as a major league starter and won't be eligible for arbitration until after 2015. He seemed to find the perfect formula for his pitch mix in the second half of last season, working in his curveball more and using the four-seamer less; in turn he missed more bats, got more called strikes and cut his walk rate substantially. He's a mid-rotation starter at worst, as long as he stays healthy, and given his delivery and the evolution of his approach, I believe he can end up as a solid No. 2 starter.

Tyrell Jenkins was the No. 74 prospect for me going into the 2012 season, then shoulder injuries robbed him of much of that season and 2013. But he came back healthy this year and was one of the best prospects in the Arizona Fall League. When I saw him there in October, he was 93-96 with good downhill plane, turning the pitch over quite well even at 95 mph, generating lots of ground balls. His slider was plus at 83-87, with curveball depth, and actually got sharper into his second and third innings. His changeup was fringy, straight at 86-88, effective because his delivery of the pitch is close to his fastball delivery, but lacking any life or action. He's as strong as ever, and his shoulder is the healthiest it has been in more than two years. A former three-sport star who had a football scholarship to Baylor, he repeats his delivery very well and has the aggressiveness you'd expect (and want) to see from a former quarterback. He immediately becomes the team's top pitching prospect and should be ready to begin 2015 in Double-A.


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The trade makes a ton of sense for both teams, although it's an acknowledgment on Atlanta's part of the weaknesses of the current roster and farm system and may not read very well to some of their fans. The Cardinals are -- and should be -- in win-now mode; they needed to upgrade their production on the corners and have some pitching depth to play with. As good a prospect as Jenkins is, he has thrown just 215 innings in the last three regular seasons combined and has never pitched a full, healthy season in pro ball. They can replace Miller in the rotation with one of Marco Gonzales or Carlos Martinez, assuming Michael Wacha returns healthy to be the fourth starter behind Wainwright, Lynn, and Lackey, and they have other young arms on the way.

Atlanta was likely to lose Heyward after the season to free agency, and their farm system was left in terrible shape after former GM Frank Wren's tenure, so this deal helps restock their system with four more years of Miller and potentially six of Jenkins in exchange for one year of Heyward and two of Walden. Atlanta needed to make a trade like this to get younger and extract value from Heyward while they could. The Cardinals didn't have the same urgency, but they strengthened a weak spot on the roster and did so without significantly damaging their future.


Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:18 pm to
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@DOBrienAJC: #Braves Heyward said he hoped team would approach him about long-term extension, & never did. "I made it clear to them I wanted to be here."



WHAT

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frickKKKKKK
Posted by beaver
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:22 pm to
What Heyward made clear was that he was going to demand too much money last offseason when we locked down our young talent

David Schoenfield suggested a Justin Upton and Evan Gattis for Taijuan Walker and Brad Miller/Chris Taylor. Not sure what the F we would do in the outfield with that but I'd love to get Taijuan (locked in for 6 years)
Posted by beaver
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:24 pm to
I stand corrected

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Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Heyward confirmed there had been no talks with the #Braves about a long-term deal since Spring Training in 2013


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Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Heyward also reiterated that those talks in March 2013 "lasted minutes."


something seems fishy...there has to be something internal going on with JHey
Posted by RollDatRoll
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:34 pm to
I hate John Hart already. Why would Heyward lie about that?
Posted by LSUsmartass
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:35 pm to
JHey is not the damn answer, and never was

Braves fan treat JHey like LSU fans treat Les
Posted by beaver
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:44 pm to
I'm fine with the deal..I just said something is fishy because if JHey really wanted to end his career here you would think he'd give us a discount and it seems the FO didn't even listen. Or Heyward is lying
Posted by crimsonian
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:46 pm to
I've been telling you guys for a while, the Braves didn't want to keep him.
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:47 pm to
Highly doubt JHey is lying.
Posted by RollDatRoll
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:49 pm to
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After Jason Heyward was traded to St. Louis on Monday after five seasons with Atlanta, the Gold Glove right fielder said he hoped Braves officials would approach him this offseason to discuss a long-term contract extension, but never did.

Here’s the first questions in Heyward’s conference call Monday afternoon with a few Atlanta reporters, which will be published at myAJC.com in full later Monday.

What’s your reaction to trade, was this something you were expecting at this point?

“I didn’t know what to expect going into the offseason, but as time went and I didn’t ever see anybody reach out to me as far as wanting to discuss an extension to be here longer than next year, I kind of got (the impression) that I would get traded.”

(Braves president of baseball operations) John Hart said since he came in last year he never got an indication other than you would go to free agency, not that a long-term contract extension was something that could be worked out. What’s your view of that?

“To be honest, the Braves front office are the ones that would have to come to me about a deal, about the extension, about me being here longer than 2015, for that to actually happen. And that never took place last offseason. I threw the two-year deal out on the table (that he signed in February 2014) because I didn’t want to go through the arbitration process anymore. I wanted to go play baseball and I didn’t want to come back after another offseason and go OK, we’re once again talking about numbers and performance and this and that (for arbitration). I just wanted to go play. I wanted our next conversation to be about me possibly being in Atlanta for a long time. And that conversation never came about. So I took it as, that’s not what they wanted to happen.”
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:56 pm to
All you can do is cry.
Posted by crimsonian
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 3:57 pm to
Or smile.
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:05 pm to
I'm at a loss for words.
Posted by WeagleAU
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 4:24 pm to
Stats are for fools... So long J-Hey
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:04 pm to
Posted by K9
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:13 pm to
we are fricking idiots
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:17 pm to
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I'm fine with the deal..I just said something is fishy because if JHey really wanted to end his career here you would think he'd give us a discount and it seems the FO didn't even listen. Or Heyward is lying



Still, absolutely no way he'd give us the discount necessary to keep him. 12-13? No way.
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:19 pm to
The consensus seems to be somewhere around 8/160 from what I've read around the web today.
Posted by crimsonian
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:23 pm to
Amen brotha
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 5:23 pm to
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The consensus seems to be somewhere around 8/160 from what I've read around the web today.



You mean what he'll draw? That's what I was guessing too, and from what I've heard we would have valued him at, it wasn't anywhere close.
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